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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 02:39:11 -0500
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From: Brian Sandford
Subject: Anyone want to trade for Twins' 4AD forgotten tracks?
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Hey there. I've got a copy of 4AD forgotten tracks, which includes most of
the B-sides from the first 10 singles and EPs (20 songs in all). It's a
great CD, but after buying the box set last week, I've basically got all of
the songs off 4AD forgotten tracks.
Anyway, I just wondered if anyone had any good-quality bootleg CDs they'd
like to trade. I'd love to have a copy of a live show from the Victorialand
era or later, but I'd also be willing to trade for some combination of the
regular releases I don't have, which include both Violaine singles, both
Tishbite singles and Moon and the Melodies. Let me know if you're
interested!
Thanks,
Brian
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:20:12 EST
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It's 9:10 am in Southeast Florida. I just woke up. I am off from work today.
I had a bizarre dream with Liz Fraser that I must share with the CT List.
Those of you who are natural born psychoanalysts can have your fun. Here it
goes:
I dreamt that Liz worked next to me in an office environment and when I popped
my head into her workspace which was like a cubicle except the wall were made
out of fabric, like american indian like fabrick. Well, she then sang for me
and somehow she was able to sing line over line to create these multiple
harmonies which blew me away. In my helpless dream state, I couldn't figure
out how she could have literally surround sound by just using these fabric
walls. I just accepted it, after all, she is brilliant in my book.
Then comes along an old man, a kind of professorial looking man, who takes Liz
and I on a short walk to explain how you can do wonders not only with your
voice but with your pen...meaning you can write a book or anything you wish
about multiple dimensions (getting weird eh??). He proceeded to walk and chat
in depth about anything interesting that he saw, explaining that all you need
to do is let yourself go.
Liz did not look anything like Liz (she was slightly heavy set, tall, with
black hair).
We then went to lunch together in the company cafeteria and I said the
following: Wouldn't it be startling to the CT list when I tell that I work
next to Liz?!
Hope you enjoyed that. I guess I am in love with Liz; or I am having
withdrawals from not seeing them in concert; or I need help!!! Hope you
enjoyed that.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:30:42 PST
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From: icehouse
Subject: Cocteau CDs for sale and brand new
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I have many items for anyone who is interested:
Cocteau Twins CD Ep Box Set
This Mortal Coil CD Box Set
Evangeline
Otherness
Twinlights
Pink Opaque
The Moon And The Melodies
Volume 15 with "Circling Girl"
Heaven Or Las Vegas
Milk And Kisses
the doom generation soundtrack w/ "summerlink"
Tishbite part 1 and part 2
let me know what price you think is fair or if you want I'll give you my =
thoughts.
thanks
gordon
icehouse@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:03:53 -0500
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From: "Jose' F. Berroa-Saro"
Subject: VOX
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I don't know if it was posted or not but there is a section in "Vox"
magazine about rock stars who are in relationship. There was a small photo
and a paragraph that talked about Liz and Robin.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:59:59 EST
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okie...i have a quick question......can anyone tell me which future sound of
london cd liz sings on? i was at the record store this weekend and couldn't
for the life of me remember which one it was....help!!
=)
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:50:58 -0800
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Subject: Re: PACKAGING
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Cynthia Conrad and David Todd wrote:
>
> On Monday, January 05, 1998 8:20 PM,
> Steve Swenser
> wrote:
>
> >I wonder how we'd react if the next CT CD release contained written lyrics?
>
> Wow, I,personally, would really *enjoy* that. The thing that is some-
> times difficult to me about listening to the 'Twins is that I want to sing
> along--but I have no idea what the words really are. I mean, I've read
> the lyrics sites for CT music and while some lyrics seem right on the
> target, still others make me go "huh? there's too many syllables here
> or something . . . "
>
> BTW, has anyone written a thread trying to decipher the lyrics woven
> into the artwork for "M&K"?
>
> --Cynthia
> dirigibl@javanet.com I think half the joy, perhaps more, of singing along with Liz is
the fact that the actual lyrics are elusive. Sort of a collaboration as
arbitrary interpretation. It hasn't stopped me from frightening anyone
within earshot with my unmelodic crooning. ;-)
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:44:12 PST
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>okie...i have a quick question......can anyone tell me which future
sound of
>london cd liz sings on? i was at the record store this weekend and
couldn't
>for the life of me remember which one it was....help!!
>
>=)
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:09:11 -0600
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From: Rich/Les
Subject: Live in London
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I have the opportunity to purchase a CD by the Cocteau Twins entitled Live
in London. It has 13 songs on the disc, of which I have no idea of the
track listing. Is anyone familiar with this disc, and if so is it worth
shelling out the $25?
Thanx,
Les
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:31:25 PST
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From: Wilson Lau
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Hey, I'm interested in your album of Heaven or Las Vegas, can you tell
me the price and how can I get it? Is it a brand new one? I live in
Toronto, Canada.
BY
Wilson
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:55:15 -0800
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From: Onid Snave
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Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
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Brianna wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, leesa (mender) wrote:
>
> > my intention with the 'live gifts' bootleg was merely to offer other fans
> > access to something that they long to have, which is a superb live
> > recording of their favorite band in concert! for most of us, it captures an
> > experience that we've already had and brings back fond memories of concerts
> > gone by. for others who've never seen a show, it offers them a taste of
> > the cocteaus live. is that really so horrid?
>
> I've been on this list for about a week now -
> My CT collection is quite small, about 9 CDs that I've been paying around
> $25 each "import prices"- 'cause noone carries the CDs, and noone listens
> to them and noone's even heard about them here..
> anyways, i get on this list and all these doors open up for me.. i realize
> how HUGE a spectrum of music the CT's have produced, made etc.. and it
> just blows me away. This offer was like a dream come true. I'll NEVER get
> to hear some of the music you guys take for granted.. the stuff you've got
> kicken' around I'd build a shrine to. I can NEVER hope to see them live
> and it's one of my dreams.. All you ppl out there with the technology to
> even copy CDs, wow.. anyways. I don't know what more to say. If i could
> go out and buy the box set i would. If the Ct's decided to put out
> anything I'd buy it (if i could get ahold of it).
> I wish Leesa would reconsider also. "Gifts" couldn't possibly say it
> enough for me.
>
> ~ briannaDitto!
O. Snave
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:04:10 -0500
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From: Paul Spirito
Subject: FSOL & Live in London Questions
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Liz sings on FSOL's "Lifeforms" *single* -- the one that has seven versions
of one song, "Lifeforms" (labled Path 1, Path 2, ...).
"Live in London" is a concert boot from 1986. Here's the tracklist:
Lazy Calm
Hitherto
Sigh's Smell of Farewell
My Love Paramour
Sea Swallow Me
Plain Tiger
Love's Easy Tears
Instrumental
Sugar Hiccup
Pearly Dewdrops Drops
Pink Orange Red
Aikea Guinea
Sugar Hiccup
Paul
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:26:35 -0800
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Randall 'Ponyboy' L. Johnson wrote:
>
> well, it has been a small eternity since the last time i've been on this
> list. i'm hoping to hear from some familiar people. (oh, yeah... and
> discuss some band i hate more than anything, the cocteau twins. ick...
> ;)) hi everyone i don't know! we'll be really intimate soon enough. :)
>
> ponyboy
> braintag@juno.com
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:23:22 MST
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From: "JONATHAN W. GRAY"
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from "icehouse" at Feb 17, 98 12:30 am
Hello
I'd be very interested in Tishbite 1 & 2 ... please contact me at :
jwgray@stu.athabascau.ca
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:52:05 -0800
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From: "Randall 'Ponyboy' L. Johnson"
Subject: graphic displays of affection/victorialand
i'm a bit puzzled as to why 'song to the siren' was in heavy rotation for
the creepy house scenes of lost highway but wasn't included on the
soundtrack? actually, i don't even recall seeing the song listed in the
movies end credits! i dearly adore david lynch, but this event has been
a tad disconcerting. anyone know the reason for such a travesty?
also, does anyone know how i can get a copy of victorialand on vinyl? i
have the cd, but thinking about it... it's so haunting that i want to be
able to put it on a player and hear the hiss and crackle of all classic
vinyl. i project it would be the most appropriate way to hear the album.
the arctic silence- cold winds brushing the dry bits of snow across each
other. yeah... how else?
btw, hullo again, one and all
ponyboy
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:30:01 -0500
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From: FA ken clinger
Subject: Craig Armstrong
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Has anyone in the UK heard the Craig Armstrong album yet (with Liz doing
vocals on one of the songs)? It won't be released here (US) for a couple
weeks, but I'm getting curious...
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:36:04 -0500
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From: mmmmmm
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>I have the opportunity to purchase a CD by the Cocteau Twins entitled Live
>in London. It has 13 songs on the disc, of which I have no idea of the
>track listing. Is anyone familiar with this disc, and if so is it worth
>shelling out the $25?
>Thanx,
>Les
personally i think that live in london is a pretty bad live recording, it's
not a soundboard and the quality is pretty mediocre! also, if you do some
searching i think you can probably find this disc for less than $25.
-leesa (aka mmmender)
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:50:30 -0500
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>i'm a bit puzzled as to why 'song to the siren' was in heavy rotation for
>the creepy house scenes of lost highway but wasn't included on the
>soundtrack? actually, i don't even recall seeing the song listed in the
>movies end credits! i dearly adore david lynch, but this event has been
>a tad disconcerting. anyone know the reason for such a travesty?
song to the siren is indeed in the credits of lynch's "lost highway" you
just have to look carefully, i suggest you rent it and go through the
credits at your own pace! (remember....you're looking for a 'this mortal
coil' credit, not a cocteau twins credit!)
-mmmmender
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:55:42 -0500
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it seems that there is some confusion about my 'live gifts' cd and the
'live in london' cd. i just wanted to clarify that these are not the same
discs! some people have written to me about this and i thought i'd just
clear it up.
'live in london' is a bootleg cd recorded in 1986, there are roughly 40,000
copies of this disc currently in existance, although each disc falsely
claims to be one out of only 1000 copies! the 'live gifts' cd on the other
hand, is an incredible soundboard recording of a show from the HOLV tour.
this cd is not available for purchase in stores so don't bother looking for
it!
hope this clears things up!
-mmmender
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:58:57 +0000
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From: --Sunburst and Snowblind --
Subject: Re: Live in London (a little more info)
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> I have the opportunity to purchase a CD by the Cocteau Twins entitled Live
> in London. It has 13 songs on the disc, of which I have no idea of the
> track listing. Is anyone familiar with this disc, and if so is it worth
> shelling out the $25?
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Les,
A little more info:
Live In London 1986 is an audience recorded bootleg from their show
at the Town and Country Club; London, England -- Nov. 17th, 1986--
(the date varies depending on your source, as do many boots)
"Lazy Calm" has Richard of Dif Juz on Sax, the "Instrumental" is an
unreleased track and the overall quality is Fair, at best, with the
sound being a bit "tinny" compared to analogue dubs that have been
circulating. As for spending $25 for it, you'd probably be able to
get it for less somewhere (anyone?), as it's been spotted for about
$18/$22 elsewhere... The boot is a very highly circulated show that
just about everyone has, so keep searching for it a little cheaper.
Hope this helps....
(jpg is cover of boot)
cheers,
bryan
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:42:19 -0500
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From: cmofu@BU.EDU
Subject: Re: Live in London
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I'd buy it for $25.00... are you selling my friend?
Chanda
cmofu@bu.edu
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:40:12 -0500
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Wilson Lau wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm interested in your album of Heaven or Las Vegas, can you tell
> me the price and how can I get it? Is it a brand new one? I live in
> Toronto, Canada.
> BY
> Wilson
>
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> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.comIt is indeed brand new. I've never even played it (but it is not
sealed). I would like to just make my money back. You could send 15
dollars to me in the USA. This would cover postage and packing.
My address is:
Gordon Roberts
44 Stone Avenue
Warwick, RI 02886
USA
Let me know if you'd like this offer. Thanks again.
Gordon
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:51:20 EST
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From: Heather Woodward
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I like not knowing what the lyrics are because I can make up whatever I want.
Their music is more of a melodic journey than it is an actual song and if the
lyrics were decipherable it would take away from that.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:40:01 MST
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From: "JONATHAN W. GRAY"
Subject: Re: Cocteau CDs for sale and brand new
In-Reply-To: <19980217184301.AAA6105@default>; from "Candace Roberts" at Feb
17, 98 1:40 pm
Hi
I'd be interested in Tishbite 1&2 ... e-mail me at :
jwgray@stu.athabascau.ca .
Thanks, Jonathan
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:15:18 +0000
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From: Bruce
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Singles review in todays Face magazine"Massive Attack-Teardrop: (Virgin): .
A classic. The
standout track from the Bristolians' new album, "Mezzanine", sees Liz
"Cocteau" Frazer aching all over a
shimmering Massive backdrop. Ranks alogside "Unfinished Sympathy" and
"Protection"- you can treat
the accompanying remix action (Primal Scream, Underdog) as
superfluous." Anything that even
approaches the quality of Unfinished Sympathy has to be something to
get excited about. I hope it's out soon but you never can tell with these
hip monthly magazines- has anyone heard the album?
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:52:30 -0500
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WHat is the name of the Craig Armstrong recording? What is the name of the song Liz guests on? Who
produces?
What label? Did it come out this year?
Help if you can.
Thanks
Gordon
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:21:23 -0500
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JONATHAN W. GRAY wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I'd be interested in Tishbite 1&2 ... e-mail me at :
> jwgray@stu.athabascau.ca .
>
> Thanks, JonathanThe offers are around 25 dollars for both (includes postage). The first
person to reply gets the two CDs .
Thanks for your time Jonathan
Gordon
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:23:47 -0500
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Subject: Re: New Massive Attack single"Teardrop" featuring Liz Frazer
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Bruce wrote:
>
> Singles review in todays Face magazine"Massive Attack-Teardrop: (Virgin): .
> A classic. The
> standout track from the Bristolians' new album, "Mezzanine", sees Liz
> "Cocteau" Frazer aching all over a
> shimmering Massive backdrop. Ranks alogside "Unfinished Sympathy" and
> "Protection"- you can treat
> the accompanying remix action (Primal Scream, Underdog) as
> superfluous." Anything that even
> approaches the quality of Unfinished Sympathy has to be something to
> get excited about. I hope it's out soon but you never can tell with these
> hip monthly magazines- has anyone heard the album?Is the title of the single...."Teardrop"???
Who produced it?
Thanks
Gordon
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:29:24 -0500
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Subject: Re: Live in London
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Whilst on a weekend trip to New York last January, I came across the Live=
in London CD at the HMV store opposite Maceys. I think it was priced at $=
13
or so. =
The HMV stores in the UK operate a telephone ordering service "HMV Direct=
"
so I'm sure that this service will be available in the U.S.
Don't pay $25 for it as it is simply not worth it, boring set, not the be=
st
quality recording. Get a high quality tape of a gig and transfer it to C=
D!
Kieron
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:58:32 EST
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Does anyone know about "Otherness" and the single with branches on the cover
(I don't remember its name). They were released around '95 and were very odd.
Not the usual CT stuff.
e-mail=bagwench@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:01:54 -0800
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Wha??? HMV is selling bootlegs? Or was this in a used bin? I've
seen boots occasionally show up in a used bin in a store, but a chain
selling them "new" is quite another thing altogether...
'-.parallax.-'
---Kieron Perry wrote:
>
> Whilst on a weekend trip to New York last January, I came across the
Live
> in London CD at the HMV store opposite Maceys. I think it was priced
at $13
> or so.
>
> The HMV stores in the UK operate a telephone ordering service "HMV
Direct"
> so I'm sure that this service will be available in the U.S.
>
> Don't pay $25 for it as it is simply not worth it, boring set, not
the best
> quality recording. Get a high quality tape of a gig and transfer it
to CD!
>
> Kieron
>
==
gregrose
fran sanfrisco, ca
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:33:12 -0800
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They were both mini-albums with four tracks on each. Twinlights was the
one with the branches - it was mostly acoustic with piano violas and
stuff. otherness was a trance-ethereal effort with remixes of some HOLV
and M&K stuff. Twinlights had all M&K stuff, except for one
Victorialand remix on it, I think
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 1:59 PM
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> Subject: Re: Live in London
>
> Does anyone know about "Otherness" and the single with branches on the
> cover
> (I don't remember its name). They were released around '95 and were
> very odd.
> Not the usual CT stuff.
>
> e-mail=bagwench@aol.com
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thanks for the info
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The name of the CD is Lifeforms.
Ivo8@aol.com wrote:
> okie...i have a quick question......can anyone tell me which future sound of
> london cd liz sings on? i was at the record store this weekend and couldn't
> for the life of me remember which one it was....help!!
>
> =)
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klaus,
how can i get a copy of this video?
tony
email: aejiles@iupui.edu
On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Hollie Flores wrote:
> Can I get a copy of the video?
>
> Hollie
>
> ----------
> > From: Klaus
> > To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> > Subject: Re: technical difficulties
> > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:59:16 +0100
> >
> >Stratton Davis schrieb:
> >> ...
> >> Hopefully many of you are enjoying your video by now. All in all it was
> a
> >> very successful list project. As soon as we get things back to normal
> >> maybe we can start another one. I'm not sure how many of you are
> musicians
> >> but the mailing list for The Sundays has just put together a tribute CD
> of
> >> cover versions by listies. I thought that was pretty cool.
> >
> >Thanx to all, they have worked on these really great video!!!!
> >I think, the other idea is also great. But unfortunately i am not a
> musician.
> >I am only a listener...
> >But put me on the i-want-a-CT-Tribute-CD-List.
> >
> >Klaus
> >
>
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From: "Randall 'Ponyboy' L. Johnson"
Subject: Re: New Massive Attack single"Teardrop" featuring Liz Frazer /non
ct
Anything that even
> approaches the quality of Unfinished Sympathy has to be something
>to>get excited about.
amen... if you think that Unfinished Sympathy is good...
try buying shara nelson's solo album. one of the songs was cowritten
with st. ettiene. it is a brilliant work. the premiere song (with st
ettiene) is 'down that road' which, if i'm not mistaken, is also the
title track. i'm not staring at the cd. my plug is done...
ponyboy
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>Does anyone know about "Otherness" and the single with branches on the cover
>(I don't remember its name).
Yes, what do you want to know?
>They were released around '95 and were very odd.
>Not the usual CT stuff.
So true!
Twinlights (with the thorny branches) is acoustic remixes,
Otherness is electronic remixes.
My Humble Opinion:
Otherness outshines Twinlights in listenablitity and innovation.
ciao
>---[{(+)}]---<
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>---[{(+)}]---<
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>Liz sings on FSOL's "Lifeforms" *single* -- the one that has seven versions
>of one song, "Lifeforms" (labled Path 1, Path 2, ...).
"Tis true -- however, far from *sounding* like 7 versions of one song, it sounds like one loooong, strange song!
- Very organikcelectronica.
- Recommended for those of us who like that sort of thing!
YMa
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Heather Woodward wrote:
>
> Does anyone know about "Otherness" and the single with branches on the cover
> (I don't remember its name). They were released around '95 and were very odd.
> Not the usual CT stuff.
>
> e-mail=bagwench@aol.comOtherness is a more bass heavy, ambient dub type of thing. Twinlights,
the ep with the branches, is more a sparse, light acoustic work.. Each
took awhile to grow on me, but both have in such a way that both are in
the CD changer as I type this (along with the Iceblink Luck EP,
Lullabies, and Love's Easy Tears--what a feast o' EPs!)
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Just to let you know, I think the idea of your 'live gifts' is incredible.
Too bad other fans do not reconsider!
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it seems that there is some confusion about my 'live gifts' cd and the
'live in london' cd. i just wanted to clarify that these are not the same
discs! some people have written to me about this and i thought i'd just
clear it up.
'live in london' is a bootleg cd recorded in 1986, there are roughly 40,000
copies of this disc currently in existance, although each disc falsely
claims to be one out of only 1000 copies! the 'live gifts' cd on the other
hand, is an incredible soundboard recording of a show from the HOLV tour.
this cd is not available for purchase in stores so don't bother looking for
it!
hope this clears things up!
-mmmender
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What F.S.O.L. album/songs did Liz sing on?
Trying to find it here in Minneapolis.
Paul
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In a message dated 98-02-17 19:13:35 EST, you write:
<< Twinlights (with the thorny branches) is acoustic remixes,
Otherness is electronic remixes. >>
I thought the Twins were quite clever in the title of the acoustic cd - it's
the Twins...Light.
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Les,
Hi. I just bought the Live in London cd and I had to turn it off before
it finished. The quality is very poor. It sounds as though it was
recorded on a walkman down in the audience. It is very muffled and
often the fans are louder than the music. Any sections where Liz is
singing sound like her voice was out of the range of the littlle machine
and it sounds tinny or vibrating... if that makes sense. The numbering
system on the back is totally bogus. There are far more than 1,000
pressings so it is not actually rare. My copy says that the CD is
limited to 1000 pressings even though it is numbered 3500. People on
the list have confirmed that there are many copies of this CD in
circulation. If you are looking to have a permanent record of the live
Cocteau sound, this is not the CD to buy. I will keep it in my
collection just for the sake of having it, but I doubt I will listen to
it.
If you want a tape of it let me know.
-Cortney
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thorny branches) is acoustic remixes,
> Otherness is electronic remixes. >>
actually, i think that twinlights (the thorny branches ep) should not be
accused of being "acoustic remixes" the songs weren't just reproduced...
they were reperformed entirely. officially new recordings. the original
versions of half-gifts and rilkean heart show up on m&k, while
pink-orange-red was from either tiny dynamine or echoes in a shallow bay
(i don't remember) and the song golden-veined was a song recorded
exclusively for the ep. i believe golden-veined was an experiment in
sound which inspired them to rerecord a few other songs in acoustic form.
this ep caught the cocteau twins lying in an earlier part of their
career as they had once called the victorialand album an acoustic album.
they also said that victorialand would be the closest thing they would
record to conventional acoustic. tsk tsk tsk.... but how can anyone
know how their ideas will change 10 years down the road? i guess we'll
have to forgive them
ponyboy
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Be sure to get the Lifeforms *CD-EP* rather than the CD-album, since Liz
is on the EP. (To confuse the issue, the EP is around 42 minutes long...)
> The name of the CD is Lifeforms.
>
> Ivo8@aol.com wrote:
>
> > okie...i have a quick question......can anyone tell me which future sound of
> > london cd liz sings on? i was at the record store this weekend and couldn't
> > for the life of me remember which one it was....help!!
> >
> > =)
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...so the m&k tracks on twinlights were NOT works-in-progress...?
>actually, i think that twinlights (the thorny branches ep) should not be
>accused of being "acoustic remixes" the songs weren't just reproduced...
> they were reperformed entirely. officially new recordings. the original
>versions of half-gifts and rilkean heart show up on m&k, while...
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Since 01-16-1998 i cannot recive the messages from
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Please e-mail to me.
Thank you.
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>In a message dated 98-02-17 19:13:35 EST, you write:
>
><< Twinlights (with the thorny branches) is acoustic remixes,
> Otherness is electronic remixes. >>
>
>I thought the Twins were quite clever in the title of the acoustic cd - it's
>the Twins...Light.
Regarding the otherness and twinlights ep's I have only heard the
twinlights cd. I think its a great departure from their typical rendition
of their material. I find the stripped-down version of half-gifts on
twinlights to be simply beautiful and quite emotional. However, the
version on M&K sounds more like something played by an organ grinder and
his monkey. (please, I intend no offense. It was just an impression. I
still like the track but just not to the same degree as on twinlights. :)
Are the tracks on otherness remixes or are they completely new versions?
If new, what sets them apart from the tracks that appear on M&K and
elsewhere? I saw somewhere that they were more ethereal. Is that true or
are they more techno oriented?
Cheers,
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>I find the stripped-down version of half-gifts on
>twinlights to be simply beautiful and quite emotional. However, the
>version on M&K sounds more like something played by an organ grinder and
>his monkey.
I agree -- I thought it was a joke when I first heard M&K. Maybe it was a
joke! Robin got sick of hearing Liz go on about "mature thinking" &c, & said
"Heh, heh, I'll fix you in the production, babe."
>Are the tracks on otherness remixes or are they completely new versions?
They're remixes by Mark Clifford (of Seefeel fame). Very ambient -- he takes
a couple of bits out of each song & extends them over several minutes. I
have to be in the right mood for it, but do enjoy it. You ought to pick it
up before it disappears.
Paul
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Steve, I HIGHLY recommend 'Otherness'! It is very ambient, and very
beautiful. The four tracks are: Feet-like Fins, Seekers Who Are Lovers,
Violaine, and Cherry Coloured Funk. None of which sound anything like
their album counterparts. As Paul said, better grab it now before it
disappears.
~Berk
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:44:29 -0800
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I recommend it, too. Especially Feet-Like-Fins - it's wonderful. It is
one of the only songs that I love that is so simple and repetetive -
leave it to CT ...
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> Subject: Otherness
>
> Steve, I HIGHLY recommend 'Otherness'! It is very ambient, and very
> beautiful. The four tracks are: Feet-like Fins, Seekers Who Are
> Lovers,
> Violaine, and Cherry Coloured Funk. None of which sound anything like
> their album counterparts. As Paul said, better grab it now before it
> disappears.
>
> ~Berk
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Jeff Howard writes:
>...so the m&k tracks on twinlights were NOT works-in-progress...?
as i recall, the versions on m&k of rilkean and half-gifts ARE the
originals... the twinlights versions were recorded for these songs
because the twins saw the potential for them to be done acoustically.
twinlights was a hybrid version of these two and pink-orange-red. i'm
not sure if these three revisions inspired them to write golden-veined or
if golden-veined inspired them to rerecord a few songs, though. someone
else will need to find that out. i do know that the (icky) circus-ish
version of half-gifts almost didn't make it to the album. the lyrics
were written about robin and liz' relationship and liz thought it was
important that the song be on the album. as far as i've heard... it was
begrudgingly done. liz was the only one that liked it.
in addition, since the cocteau twins don't record songs conventionally
you could consider ALL of their songs "works-in-progress". apparently,
their songs start as washes of feedback and snippets of picked lines
which are mostly chosen for their sound or melody. this mess is pasted
together in either a logical or illogical way (song direction pending)
and it just keeps changing till it sounds good. given the number of
interpretations they present their songs in even after they've recorded
the "final" versions (the live shows were remixed on the spot by mark
clifford, otherness, acoustic bluebeard, twinlights) the songs are still
changing to this day. the twins seem humble enough to know that their
songs don't sound the best that they could. they played the twinlights
versions of half-gifts and rilkean heart during their live shows instead
of the album versions. does this say the songs got better in their own
eyes? of course, this is only speculation...
ponyboy
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In a message dated 98-02-18 11:44:43 EST, you write:
<< ...so the m&k tracks on twinlights were NOT works-in-progress...? >>
in an interview that i have on tape fromt he 1996 tour, i think maybe Modern
Rock Live???, rabin states that the album was finished, but release was
delayed for some reson, so they did the two eps and released them first. i
don;t understand the logistics, but he made it clear tha teh album was
recorded BEFORE the 2 eps!
Rax.
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...ahhhhhh!
thanks for the clarification.
jeff
><< ...so the m&k tracks on twinlights were NOT works-in-progress...? >>
>
>in an interview that i have on tape fromt he 1996 tour, i think maybe Modern
>Rock Live???, rabin states that the album was finished, but release was
>delayed for some reson, so they did the two eps and released them first. i
>don;t understand the logistics, but he made it clear tha teh album was
>recorded BEFORE the 2 eps!
>
>Rax.
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well, here i am and its 'spins and needles' on my college radio (ithaca
college) and low and behold...cocteau twins are on...seekers who are lovers
from otherness is on and i think im in my glory that there are other people on
this campus that listen to this beautiful music...
...anyone on hte list from the ithaca area?
i will not fade,
jessica
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a fellow cocteau twins enthusiast here from syracuse!
peace, marianne
Jal191@aol.com wrote:
>
> well, here i am and its 'spins and needles' on my college radio (ithaca
> college) and low and behold...cocteau twins are on...seekers who are lovers
> from otherness is on and i think im in my glory that there are other people on
> this campus that listen to this beautiful music...
> ...anyone on hte list from the ithaca area?
> i will not fade,
> jessica
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studied in Rochester (RIT), listen to Cocteau Twins, now live in San
Francisco...
>a fellow cocteau twins enthusiast here from syracuse!
>
>peace, marianne
>
>Jal191@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> well, here i am and its 'spins and needles' on my college radio (ithaca
>> college) and low and behold...cocteau twins are on...seekers who are lovers
>> from otherness is on and i think im in my glory that there are other
>>people on
>> this campus that listen to this beautiful music...
>> ...anyone on hte list from the ithaca area?
>> i will not fade,
>> jessica
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i was down at rice radio in houston not too long ago and checked out their
records...they only had two cocteau cd's and nothing that i saw on
vinyl...amazing and they usually play awesome music to have so few of cocteau
twins stuff....
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:45:10 EST
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From: Heather Woodward
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Cherry Coloured Funk is the only song that I like on otherness.
I was dissappointed by the other tracks
off the subject: Does anyone know where to get a copy of the Singles Box Set.
I had the set about two years ago-but had to get rid of it (long story). It
was my favorite and now I can't find it.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:05:29 -0600
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Subject: COCTEAU tribute
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HI guys,
I saw something a little while ago about a possible cocteau twins =
tribute done by listies and such. *Didn't you say that Sundays' listies =
had put together something,Stratton?* Well,some friends of mine who have =
a wonderful band would be very much interested in contributing. What say =
all of you? Shall it happen?
Thanks,
Lisa
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HI guys,
I saw something a little while ago =
about a=20
possible cocteau twins tribute done by listies and such. *Didn't you say =
that=20
Sundays' listies had put together something,Stratton?* Well,some friends =
of mine=20
who have a wonderful band would be very much interested in contributing. =
What=20
say all of you? Shall it happen?
Thanks,
Lisa
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:08:56 +0000
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From: Hollie Flores
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I got mine at Best Buy and I've seen it at Borders Book Store and Barnes and
Nobles. Let me know if you still can't find it!
Hollie Flores
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> From: Heather Woodward
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: Otherness
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:45:10 EST
>
>Cherry Coloured Funk is the only song that I like on otherness.
>I was dissappointed by the other tracks
>
>off the subject: Does anyone know where to get a copy of the Singles Box
Set.
>I had the set about two years ago-but had to get rid of it (long story).
It
>was my favorite and now I can't find it.
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:22:54 -0800
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From: John McGinnis
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HI ~ I'm in S.F, too! :) went to SFSU
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Howard [SMTP:jhoward@focalgroup.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 8:33 PM
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: COCTEAU ON COLLEGE RADIO
>
> studied in Rochester (RIT), listen to Cocteau Twins, now live in San
> Francisco...
>
> >a fellow cocteau twins enthusiast here from syracuse!
> >
> >peace, marianne
> >
> >Jal191@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> well, here i am and its 'spins and needles' on my college radio
> (ithaca
> >> college) and low and behold...cocteau twins are on...seekers who
> are lovers
> >> from otherness is on and i think im in my glory that there are
> other
> >>people on
> >> this campus that listen to this beautiful music...
> >> ...anyone on hte list from the ithaca area?
> >> i will not fade,
> >> jessica
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:34:37 -0800
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Hollie Flores wrote:
>
> I got mine at Best Buy and I've seen it at Borders Book Store and Barnes and
> Nobles. Let me know if you still can't find it!
> Hollie Flores
>
> ----------
> > From: Heather Woodward
> > To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> > Subject: Re: Otherness
> > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:45:10 EST
> >
> >Cherry Coloured Funk is the only song that I like on otherness.
> >I was dissappointed by the other tracks
> >
> >off the subject: Does anyone know where to get a copy of the Singles Box
> Set.
> >I had the set about two years ago-but had to get rid of it (long story).
> It
> >was my favorite and now I can't find it.
> > The Cocteay Twins singles box set at Best Buy?! Wow! Thank you
for the info...is this a wonderful world, or what!
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:09:54 -0600
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lisa wrote:
HI guys,
I saw something a little while ago about a possible cocteau twins =
tribute done by listies and such. *Didn't you say that Sundays' listies =
had put together something,Stratton?* Well,some friends of mine who have =
a wonderful band would be very much interested in contributing. What say =
all of you? Shall it happen?
Thanks,
Lisa
-------------------
Well, I think it would be a fantastic idea. As soon as we can get the
problems sorted out with the list then I say we try and work something out.
When I say problems, I mean the fact that most of the posts are only
making it to about half of the people on the list. Nobody is missing all
the posts...but rarely does a post make it to each and every listmember. I
think we need a fully functioning list before we can proceed with that
project simply because we'll need to give everyone the opportunity to
contribute or pass on the information to friends.
Stratton
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:10:46 -0500
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From: Candace Roberts
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I have items by Sinead for sale if anyone is interested.
I have both copie of the above still sealed. Let me know if anyone would
like to buy them.
Thanks
Gordon
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:17:32 -0500
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From: Michael Fellows
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I quite like them
*******************************************************************************
Michael D. Fellows
*southpaw*
'a kissed out red floatboat?'
email : mfellows@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu
web page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3771/
"and you know you're
gonna lie to you
in your own way
know know too well
know the chill
know teenage flesh
know he breaks
my Siren
NEVER was one
for a
prissy boy
coquette
Call in For
an ambulance
Reach high
doesn't
mean HE'S
holy
just means
He's got a Cellular
handy
almost
Brave
almost
pregnant
almost in love
"VANILLA"
and you know you're
gonna lie to you
in your own way"
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:07:43 -0500
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More details of the MA album have been in today's music press -
there's 3 Liz tracks - Teardrops, Black Milk and Group Four - but
it's not out until April 16th, i.e. a week before I see them in
Manchester. What are the odds on Liz making an appearance on
stage?
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:01:55 -0800
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From: "Randall 'Ponyboy' L. Johnson"
Subject: Re: COCTEAU tribute
On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:05:29 -0600 Lee and Lisa writes:
>HI guys,
>I saw something a little while ago about a possible cocteau twins =
>tribute done by listies and such. *Didn't you say that Sundays'
>listies =
>had put together something,Stratton?* Well,some friends of mine who
>have =
>a wonderful band would be very much interested in contributing. What
>say =
>all of you? Shall it happen?
if you are talking about the compilation os listies covering cocteau
twins songs from a little over a year ago, i think we can blame me for
that one. while it was a good idea i had a big problem. i only recieved
1 persons contribution and the one that i did. (stratton, was it you who
sent me "know who you are at every age"?) i was going to transfer
everything into a digital form so that when i made copies there wouldn't
be any additional quality lost, since we were compiling analog copies.
(unless people can record things onto either cd or mini-disc.) in any
case... we sent a request for everyone that wanted to contribute a song
to do so. this was done on both the cocteau twins list and the 4AD
mailing list. like i said... 1 response. if you can get more people to
contribute this time i will still compile the tapes (lest someone else
has better means) and ship them out for only the price of shipping and
the tapes. it was also suggested that people who wanted to create
artwork for the tape covers send in their ideas via snail mail or post
them on the internet and give the web address for listies to stare them
down. if you guys decide it's a good idea and can get enough people to
warrant the project, i'll still help out.
ponyboy
braintag@juno.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:02:44 +0000
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I just want to say something about the way Liz sings and why it's good that
you can't make out what she's saying most of the time (I've heard people
complain about this). I feel that she uses her voice as an intrument =8B
without emphasizing what words (notes on a instrument) she's singing but
rather what sounds the words produce. I also have no interest in knowing
exactly what she says because if she wanted us to know, she'd publish her
words in the album sleeves like every other musician does (and she isn't
like every other musician). To her I think that the words and the meaning o=
f
the songs are very personal and what she wants us to enjoy is the overall
sound she produces. This a quality that really sets Liz and the CTs apart
from other bands.
hF
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:03:31 -0500
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Subject: Help
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Can somebody please remove me from this mailing list? The information
being sent to me is not useful. This is my second request.
Jim
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:12:09 -0800
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Hi all! I'm sorry to bother all the non-Bay Area folks, but I'm really
desperate. I've got 2 tickets to the Debbie Harry show Saturday night
in Oakland. I'll sell them for $20 each (a little less than I paid for).
They're good seats, I just won't be able to make it due to a family
emergency. Please reply back asap if you're interested, or call the
number below.
Thanks!
Daphne.
---<-@ ---<-@ ---<-@ ---<-@ ---<-@
Daphne Domingo
College of Professional Studies
University of San Francisco
(415) 422-2141
dominGod@usfca.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:52:49 -0600
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Subject: Re: Liz's style of singing
I agree. I don't want to know the words she's singing partly because I don't
want to
be disappointed by the banality of it.
The group has taken a hiatus (for all we know, they may have
already decided to call it quits.) If Robin and Simon decide to go on
without Liz, let's hope they don't replace her with some other singer. It
just wouldn't be right to do it without her. I assume legally they have
every right to replace her and continue to call the group "cocteau twins"
but it would be blasphemous.
dave
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me too...set me free and off the list!
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 02:39:46 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/98 3:55:10 PM, you wrote:
<<
The group has taken a hiatus (for all we know, they may have
already decided to call it quits.)>>
i'd say abandoning the latest album and breaking up is a bit more than a
hiatus. i think they did call it quits......
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:54:04 -0800
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I agree about Liz using her voice as an instrument...and I've wondered for
quite a while, could she have been influenced by Gertrude Stein's writings
or by 'phenomenologists' in general? I only ask b/c when I first read
Stein, (and every time thereafter, actually) I can't *help* but think of
Liz's style and the similarities!
Thanks,
Kirsten
btw, I'm a new listie but very long-time fan
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:02:42 -0800
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Subject: Re: the 1995 eps (was Re: Live in London)
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>Are the tracks on otherness remixes or are they completely new versions?
>If new, what sets them apart from the tracks that appear on M&K and
>elsewhere? I saw somewhere that they were more ethereal. Is that true or
>are they more techno oriented?
Hello STeve and All!
Tracklists for the eps under discussion:
OTHERNESS TWINLIGHTS
Feet Like Fins Rilkean Heart (acoustic version)
Seeker who are Lovers Golden-Vein
Violaine Pink Orange Red (acoustic version)
Cherry Coloured Funk Half-Gifts (acoustic version with strings)
0therness is CT, waaaaaaay remixed by Mark Clifford: remixed almost to the point your not being able to recognize the original tune.
Do you like Seefeel? If so, run right out right now and buy Otherness!
If you aren't familiar with Seefeel/Mark Clifford stuff, well, you've got to like electronic music, and not just electronic dance music,and creative sampling to enjoy this ep.
Which I definitely do! I love Otherness. It's byoootiefull and totally unlike anything which has beenn released under the name Cocteau Twins.
Of course, opinions will vary, as they always do. For example, though much good stuff has been said about Twinlights, I can't honestly echo the sentiment. I don't really like what I hear as the plainness and unoriginality of it. YUCK!
Amy
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:10:09 EST
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Can you tell me more about Gertrude Stein? Who is he? I would like to read
and learn more about him.
Siuberto
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:24:41 +0000
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He is a she I think...;)
rita
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:23:47 -0500
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Gordon:
On Monday, February 16, 1998 9:57 PM, you wrote:
>I have many items for anyone who is interested:
>Volume 15 with "Circling Girl"
Have you sold this one yet?
Also, I have a question: is the version of Summerblink on
the doom generation soundtrack different than the album
version?
--Cynthia
dirigibl@javanet.com
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:28:16 -0800
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Subject: Re: Liz & Kate, The Hounds of (Iceblink) Luck
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Amy Conger wrote:
>
> Berk wrote:
> >Eric, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Liz was a Kate Bush fan,
> >or really liked her music, or something like that. So maybe we'll get
> >lucky enough to see them team up in the future. I'd love to hear the
> >two of them do "Cloudbursting" and "Wuthering Heights"!!!
>
> How about Liz doing "In Search of Peter Pan"!
>
> Or "Suspended in Gaffa"!
>
> Or "Kashka from Bagdad"!
>
> Or "Get out of my House"!
>
> Oh! Oh! Liz pleeeeeeeze cover some Kate!
>
> Amy
>
> s i g hJust read this post today, my infernal machine having been out of order
for several weeks (it's really wonderful paying your ISP for a service
you cannot use). What a musical wet dream, Liz covering Kate.To your
exquisite list I'd add Coffee Homeground, Moving, ...ooh, the
possibilities are overwhelming. I need to change my shorts now.
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 10:24:19 -0800
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Gertrude Stein is an american woman writer from the turn of the century
who was very experimental in her writing and attempted to alter the uses
of language and parts of speech. I know this definition misses a lot, and
I don't have any of her poetry on hand to show you. There's one called
"Sweet Susie Asado" if you do search on the internet for her poetry.
Kirsten
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:51:38 EST
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I am not from the aforementioned Ithaca area, but from NYC and I sometimes
hear Cocteau music on the New York University station here. They have a great
show called " Theatrum Etherium" or something that plays all kinds of music
suited towards ethereal tastes, as the title would imply. I find it such a
strange but pleasureable experience to hear them broadcast, I'm so used to
thinking I am one of the few and proud fans that still love them just as much
as ever....
Dresdenblu
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:55:24 -0500
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From: Greg
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I am putting the following items up for auction. This is the first part of
a series of Cocteau Twins auctions I will be conducting. Basically, I keep
digging and finding more, and more, and more...!!! This auction ends March
1, 1998 at 10PM Eastern Standard Time. No minimum bids, however I do
reserve the right to decline any final bid. Highest bidder will be
notified. All items are in mint condition unless noted otherwise.
Email me privately with your bids at brickall@mindspring.com
Good luck!!
The Pink Opaque cassette on 4AD/Relativity
The Pink Opaque promo poster 4AD/Relativity 18"w x 24"h, cover art
The Pink Opaque test pressing on 4AD/Relativity, plain white jacket,
Hauppauge Record Manufacturing, LTD.
The Spangle Maker EP CD on 4 AD/Capitol C2-15773
Evangeline EP CD on Fontana UK import CTCD 1 862717-2
Evangeline promo EP CD on Capitol DPRO 79259
Snow EP CD on Fontana UK import COCCD 1 858 168-2
Bluebeard promo CD single Capitol DPRO 79330
Bluebeard EP CD on Fontana UK import CTCD 2 858 363-2
Summerhead promo CD single Capitol DPRO 79300
Tishbite promo CD single Capitol DPRO 11204
Milk and Kisses digipak version on Fontana UK import 532 363-2
Milk and Kisses promo poster Capitol 11"w x 15"h translucent paper, cover art
Heaven or Las Vegas promo EP CD 4AD/Capitol DPRO 79291A
Postcard promoting 4AD/Capitol back catalog, trifold, 8 1/2"w x 11"h unfolded
23 Envelope Posters from 1986, 15 posters, 12"w x 16"h, Cat. #WAD 23,
UK import, Cocteau Twins, Colourbox, Modern English, Richenel,
This Mortal Coil, Voix Bulgares, Xmal Deutschland, Xymox
Peppermint Pig b/w Laugh Lines 7" w/ pic sleeve, UK import, AD 303
I Wear Your Ring 12" promo single on 4AD/Capitol SPRO-79564
A Kissed Out Red Floatboat 12" promo single on 4AD/Capitol SPRO-79512
Twinlights promo cassette EP 4PRO-10220
The Moon and the Melodies CD on 4AD/Relativity
All Virgos Are Mad video VHS on 4AD, limited edition of 1,000 to tie in with
the All Virgos Are Mad event Sept 27-Oct 2, 1994 in Los Angeles,
12 band's videos including Dead Can Dance and This Mortal
Coil...no Cocteau Twins
Four Calendar Cafe puzzle
Sampler 12" LP promo on 4AD/Capitol, 10 tracks, includes High
Monkey Monk and Dials, SPRO-79066/79067
That's it for now. More to come! Thanks!! Greg
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:26:36 +0000
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Gertrude Stein.....that sounds familiar but I'm not sure what she writes but
I bet I've read something of hers cuz I have a creative writing/literature
minor. Does she write poetry mostly or prose? What's a title of something
she's done. Now I'm really curious.........
hF
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> From: KE Votaw
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: Liz as instrument...Gertrude Stein influence?
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:54:04 -0800
>
>I agree about Liz using her voice as an instrument...and I've wondered for
>quite a while, could she have been influenced by Gertrude Stein's writings
>or by 'phenomenologists' in general? I only ask b/c when I first read
>Stein, (and every time thereafter, actually) I can't *help* but think of
>Liz's style and the similarities!
>
>Thanks,
>Kirsten
>
>btw, I'm a new listie but very long-time fan
>
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Subject: Re: Liz as instrument...Gertrude Stein influence?
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A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose is a rose is a rose is a rose is a
rose is a rose...
>Gertrude Stein.....that sounds familiar but I'm not sure what she writes but
>I bet I've read something of hers cuz I have a creative writing/literature
>minor. Does she write poetry mostly or prose? What's a title of something
>she's done. Now I'm really curious.........
>
>hF
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:13:00 -0500
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