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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:24:53 EST
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From: Ssocarras
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Michael,
I wasn't referring to Kate and Prince. I was trying to convey that Liz Fraser
and Kate Bush are a more likely collaboration since I read several years ago
that the CT turned down an offer by Prince to work together.
Siuberto
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:30:49 EST
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From: Ssocarras
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Subject: Re: aikea-guinea
I also agree. Somehow aikea-guinea reminds me of an anthem but more like a
parade or carousel in which Liz is leading and singing with confetti all
around.
What about Kookaburra? Now this song has an unbelievable edge to it,
something I have not heard from them recently.
Siuberto
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:08:20 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: drugs, tatoos, cocteaus,
Stratton Davis wrote:
As far as Liz's tattoos, well one of them was of Siouxie Sioux and I
think another of Johnny Rotten. She had them removed in '96.
SIOUXSIE?!?!?!?! Oh man, that is SO cool... my two favourite vocalists
entwined as one.
When I first heard CT, Liz at times reminded me of Siouxsie. Now I know
she was once a fan of the Ice Queen (once upon a time,
anyway).... ~sigh~
~MaRk~
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:22:07 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: a piece of my Mind for a Buritto
I don't have anything rare to offer to this project (sadly)... But I'd
love to buy a copy when and if it's completed. I'll keep my fingers
crossed... ~MaRk~
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:52:35 -0800
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From: Amy Conger
Subject: Let them move on already (Was Re: Hello Everybody)
Mark Turrell wrote:
> . . . I've been a Cocteau Twins fan since 1982 (is
>it really that long?). I've had the pleasure of seeing them live three
>times. I have to be honest and say the last two albums haven't been on
>my turntable as much as the others so maybe it's a good idea that
>they're stopping. Some bands outlive their usefulness but still keep
>making records. Others have the dignity to know when to stop. Maybe
>it's time for them to do something different?
Me too, and yes, yes, yes!
Amen!
Halleluia!
I look forward to the future creative fruits of these 3+ wonderful musicians.
xoxo
amy
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:33:09 -0800
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From: Amy Conger
Subject: Japanese Lyrics (Was: Re: sultitan itan)
Paul wrote:
>Japanese versions have also featured "lyrics" -- as they're demanded by the
>distributors there.
If anyone has these lyrics I would LOOOOOoooove to read them!
I read in an interview in Details years'n'years ago, which mentioned the
Japanese record company's innacurate "lyrics" for Garlands; I only remember
"Yeah baby I'm a mud dancer" and "Hit me with your aeroplane".
Wouldn't it be great to get one of these old Japanese pressings, and sing
along to Garlands in Japlish!?
amy
(who gets a *serious* kick over people's CT-lyric guesses!)
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1981 15:34:38 -0800
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From: RYAN M CILIENTO
Subject: religion??
does anyone know of the cocteau's religious beliefs if any,just curios??
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:05:49 -0000
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From: Nick Dyer
Subject: Live in London for Trade
Sorry if this posts twice but my server seems to have trouble with this =
list:
Whilst in the lovely USA on hol I picked up 2 Live thingies so.....
I have a spare copy of the very lovely Live In London 1986 for trade.
I would love to get my hands on another Cocteaus CD live boot in =
exchange
Anybody with a nice juicy Cd to trade please email me :
nick@patrol.i-way.co.uk
(don't do it to the list or you'll bore everybody...)
BTW I saw the Cocteaus many times in this period and they were just =
magical
even
though a lot of the live sound was on backing tape.
There was an aura about their gigs - the 4ad roster was magnificent.
Dead Can Dance the stupendously underrated Dif Juz, Wolfgang Press, wow!
Even the Pale Saints were this side of geniuses when they firsy started =
....
what has gone wrong with 4ad these days?
Yours nostalgically
Nick Dyer
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:27:43 -0500
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From: sylvie
Subject: Re: Japanese Lyrics (Was: Re: sultitan itan)
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> From: Amy Conger
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Japanese Lyrics (Was: Re: sultitan itan)
> Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 3:33 AM
>
> Paul wrote:
> >Japanese versions have also featured "lyrics" -- as they're demanded by
the
> >distributors there.
>
>
> If anyone has these lyrics I would LOOOOOoooove to read them!
>
> I read in an interview in Details years'n'years ago, which mentioned the
> Japanese record company's innacurate "lyrics" for Garlands; I only
remember
> "Yeah baby I'm a mud dancer" and "Hit me with your aeroplane".
>
> Wouldn't it be great to get one of these old Japanese pressings, and sing
> along to Garlands in Japlish!?
>
> amy
> (who gets a *serious* kick over people's CT-lyric guesses!)
i would LOVE it, if everyone on this list could submit their lyrical
translation of their favourite cocteau song! it would certainly be a great
read!! i'd start with "suckling the mender"-- "..louie cannot go/for you we
have birth control/teenage sex me, whore!"
well, once again i appear to make only myself chuckle...
:)
love lots
be happy
sylvie
blac1669@swampfox.fmarion.edu
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:39:17 +0000
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Subject: cd burning
dear stratton & d rest
i was asking my collegues and i think we can burn video & audio cd's
if that helps. so if you need anyone on the other side of the water
to lend give me a shout.
yours mikey
drink guinness
ps. all the talk about subtitles on video's
there a quiet recent vid can't remember which one that has the words
coming up! a slight piss take maybe?
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:10:03 -0600
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From: penumbra
Subject: Re: CT video comp. update
I also want to say thanks to Jim B, Ken C., Guy D., Mike E. and last-but
-by-no-means-least Stratton D. for making this project happen.(***round of
applause***) Drinks are on the house!......mac
P.S. to Jim B.: money order is in the mail.....mac
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:23:29 -0500
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From: mmmmmmmmmm
Subject: LIVE GIFTS
attention cocteauphiles!!!!
on the topic of burning a cd.......you should all be pleased to know that
i'm pressing a live cocteau twins bootleg of my soundboard recording, and
i'm calling it "live gifts". it's an amazing quality live bootleg recorded
from the HOLV tour. i'm getting this cd done professionally, with digital
mastering and a full-colour sleeve insert. i don't have any info.
regarding prices yet, hopefully i can keep it as cheap as possible, i'm
still looking into that but i thought i'd let you all know about it, as
soon as i have more details, you'll hear from me.
{{{{mmmmender}}}}
"i was sad all day 'til you licked my bellybutton"
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The Cocteau Cafe: http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cHTML/
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:28:14 -0700
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From: Akira
Subject: Re: a piece of my Mind for...
I'd like to primarily suggest crushed from the dials, etc. box set,
-and have it loop to infinity...
& i have some bathers w/elizabeth tracks if needed, but the piano music
is rather bland in my opinion, _anything_ from blue bell knoll would also
be something of my choice to suggest.
-does anyone know exactly how many versions of sugar hiccup have been
released¿ i've heard 3 different ones since '83 but was told there's 4
total.
-d davidjmyers@worldnet.att.net
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From: Jef-Marcel Encinas
To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 7:01 PM
Subject: a piece of my Mind for a Buritto
> Where i came up with that title escapes me....but it gets back to a
>topic i started a few weeks back regarding a listy tape we could all put
>together. I got a number of responses from people who were eager for a
>copy or who motioned that i should put on certain tracks but..... nobody
>offered anything to add to it! plus! nobody got the gist of
>project.....did'nt want to focus on the various side projects the
>Cocteaus had undertaken (be it Wolfgang Press, Bathers, Fuel, etc......)
>but instead I felt it should just be oddities! Alternate versions,
>rare trax, covers or remixes by the listies themselves or whatever!!!
>give me some ideas here folks! Still trying to track down that Buritto
>Revolution track (it had samples of Liz singing) the tracks were called
>1: Song to the Siren 2: Blue Bell (anyone out there have this?)
>also.....the following tracks would be cool to compile....."PERHAPS SOME
>OTHER AEON (DEMO) (from the Pleasantly Surprised comp tape)........SPEAK
>NO EVIL (taken from the flexi disc that came in "Vinyl"
>magazine...............IN OUR ANGELHOOD (remix) (from State of Affairs
>comp tape).............PEARLY DEWDROPS DROPS (DEMO) (taken from "Dreams
>& Desires" comp. tape)................OTTERLEY (demo) (taken from
>'electronic Soundmaker & Computer Music magazine)........ PALE CLOUDED
>WHITE (from Discreet Campaigns" comp tape).................PINK ORANGE
>RED (alternate version) from Womad-Talking Book Vol 3 "An Introduction
>to Europe"....................and somebody out there mentioned a remixed
>version of 50/50 clown? or was it "Pitch the Baby"? let's put these
>together and make ourselves yet another Cocteau Twins album!!!!
>They may be breaking up on us but we can at least continue to spread the
>music and enjoy them for years to come.... jef-marcel
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:01:11 -0500
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From: mmmmmmmmmm
Subject: LIVE GIFTS TRACK LISTING
i forgot to give you the track listing for the upcoming "live gifts" cd
(there are 17 tracks in total!!)
(1) blue bell knoll
(2) from the flagstones
(3) my love paramour
(4) cico buff
(5) pitch the baby
(6) crushed
(7) iceblink luck
(8) orange, appled
(9) wolf in the breast
(10) mizake the mizan
(11) aikea guinea
(12) cherry coloured funk
(13) road, river and rail
(14) a kissed out red floatboat
(15) pink, orange, red
(16) whales tails
(17) heaven or las vegas
{{{{mmmmender}}}}
"i was sad all day 'til you licked my bellybutton"
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The Cocteau Cafe: http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cHTML/
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:34:33 -0500
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From: mmmmmmmmmm
Subject: the site
the main domain name (www.cocteautwins.com) doesn't seem to be working
today (at least for me) for those of you who don't know the 'back door
entrance' here it is:
http://205.147.5.69/home.html
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:25:26 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: CT video wanted
Mark Kirk
mondacello@bond.net
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:42:10 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
mmmmmmmmmm wrote:
>
> attention cocteauphiles!!!!
>
> on the topic of burning a cd.......you should all be pleased to know that
> i'm pressing a live cocteau twins bootleg of my soundboard recording, and
> i'm calling it "live gifts". it's an amazing quality live bootleg recorded
> from the HOLV tour. i'm getting this cd done professionally, with digital
> mastering and a full-colour sleeve insert. i don't have any info.
> regarding prices yet, hopefully i can keep it as cheap as possible, i'm
> still looking into that but i thought i'd let you all know about it, as
> soon as i have more details, you'll hear from me.
hi leesa! Sorry for not being patient enough to wait for more details
but, PLEASE put my name on the 'I want it, I want it, I want it!*' list.
thanks in advance...
~MaRk~
*: said in the voice of Waylon Smithers
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:57:28 -0800
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From: Mark Turrell
Subject: Re: a piece of my Mind for a Buritto
Hey,
I've got "In Our Angelhood (remix)", unfortunately the tape is in the
UK ,and I now live in the USA so it may take a while to dig it out. I
also have "Void Of Voice (My Hue & Cry)" from the "Unrealised Dreams"
pic disc boot, the "Lovers Are Mortal" boot, and a couple of JP
sessions. I don't have a Technics, but I do have a Thorens 280 Mk IV
deck, a CD player with digital outs, and a DAT machine which I'm
willing to pitch in with.
Be Seeing You
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark Turrell
Mturrell@adpac.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stratton Davis [SMTP:stratton@ballistic.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 6:31 PM
To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
Subject: Re: a piece of my Mind for a Buritto
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> From: Berk ~
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: a piece of my Mind for a Buritto
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 7:39 PM
>
> >I got a number of responses from people who were eager for a
> >copy or who motioned that i should put on certain tracks but.....
> >nobody offered anything to add to it!
> ----------------
>
> Okay Jef, I'm with you on this. I have 'Speak No Evil', 'Sky to
> Speak'(early Orange Appled), 'Ivo' alternate version, and the Red
Tape
> version of 'Pitch the Baby'. If we can get some other
contributions, we
> can get this thing rolling!
>
> ~Berk
Neil Impelluso and I were talking about doing something like this
too...but
we were thinking of burning it to CD-R. What do you guys think about
that?
I know Neil has the capability to burn CD's but it might help if
there
were some others who volunteered in order to ease the burden of
distribution. He and a few other people did something just like this
recently on the Lush mailing list. We could even include some of the
better quality live television like the 'Seekers' performance from
The
White Room, the MTV Europe stuff from '95, the Snub-TV stuff from '91,
etc.
I've also got a mint copy of 'Scream' which has some nice
demos/alternate
versions as well as the cover of 'Strange Fruit' and 'My Hue and Cry'.
If
someone has access to a Technics 1200 then we could get a really clean
copy
of all the vinyl...
Stratton
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:17:39 -0800
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From: Mark Turrell
Subject: Videos
I'd just like to share something with you I found at my local record
store Amoeba in San Francisco yesterday.
Whilst browsing through the clearance videos I found a bunch of videos
called "Rock Video Monthly" from Warners.
They are compilations (maybe they're the things labels send to MTV, I
don't know) with about 10 bands on each. I managed to find 3 of
interest, one with "Evangeline", one with "Bluebeard", and one with
(sigh) "Yulunga" by Dead Can Dance, and they were only $1.95! So all
of you people in the USA get searching (unless you've already taped
'em off the telly or getting the comp vid).
Be Seeing You
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Mark Turrell
Mturrell@adpac.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:32:44 -0500
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From: John and Brian
Subject: The Winter Guest
Just picked up the soundtrack and "Take Me With You" (vocals by Liz) is
ABSOLUTELY beautiful....almost weepy....I love it!
JohninGB
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> From: Mark Turrell
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Videos
> Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 12:17 PM
>
> I'd just like to share something with you I found at my local record
> store Amoeba in San Francisco yesterday.
> Whilst browsing through the clearance videos I found a bunch of videos
> called "Rock Video Monthly" from Warners.
> They are compilations (maybe they're the things labels send to MTV, I
> don't know) with about 10 bands on each. I managed to find 3 of
> interest, one with "Evangeline", one with "Bluebeard", and one with
> (sigh) "Yulunga" by Dead Can Dance, and they were only $1.95! So all
> of you people in the USA get searching (unless you've already taped
> 'em off the telly or getting the comp vid).
>
> Be Seeing You
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mark Turrell
> Mturrell@adpac.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:57:32 EST
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From: Glove801
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This is great! I e-mailed and spoke about this months ago and I am just
reacting to the right situation.
Tim Glover
1470 Fallsbrook Court
Acworth, GA. 30101
E-Mail Glove 801@aol.com
CT Video Wanted
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:48:28 EST
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From: DaxDax
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Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS TRACK LISTING
All I can say is.......YAYYAYYAY!!!
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:50:47 -0800
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From: jack huynh
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
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i am going to throw in my two cents.....
okay, when you start burning CD and sell them (even at cost), you begin to
undermine the integrity of the gift that was given to you and the cocteau
twins. sure, they don't release live albums on cd and you're doing the fans
a favor, but what happens when the bootleg cd becomes very popular and the
twins want to release a live cd? Considering that you know the twins, i
can't imagine them you doing them a favor by selling CD of their live
material. i have had the capability to burn CD for quite a while and
refrain from using it to populate the world with the same bootleg that you
have (which i believe i gave to you, but correct me if i am wrong). in
position, i could very much capitalize on my relationship with the twins,
but i have not made a penny off their back and share their music in a way
to not harm their livelihood. i can understand if you want to make a cd for
yourself and a few close friends, but offering it for sale in a community
will surely bring about repercussions later on. i ask you to reconsider
your offer of generosity.
At 09:23 AM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>attention cocteauphiles!!!!
>
>on the topic of burning a cd.......you should all be pleased to know that
>i'm pressing a live cocteau twins bootleg of my soundboard recording, and
>i'm calling it "live gifts". it's an amazing quality live bootleg recorded
>from the HOLV tour. i'm getting this cd done professionally, with digital
>mastering and a full-colour sleeve insert. i don't have any info.
>regarding prices yet, hopefully i can keep it as cheap as possible, i'm
>still looking into that but i thought i'd let you all know about it, as
>soon as i have more details, you'll hear from me.=20
>
>
>{{{{mmmmender}}}}
>
>"i was sad all day 'til you licked my bellybutton"
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>The Cocteau Cafe: http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cHTML/
>
>
jack huynh jhuy@cks.com
cks | partners 415/905-8226
'the greatest achievement is the freedom from achievement'
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:10:28 EST
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Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
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In a message dated 1/16/98 11:53:03 AM, you wrote:
<>
Ok I own a record label so I have heard this argument and totally understand
what you are saying. However, I don't think one person on this list wouldn't
rush out and buy a live CT album released by the band, even if it is the same
recording and quality of the bootleg. The artwork alone would justify the
purchase. Take a band like the Grateful Dead or Metallica, who allowed their
shows to be recorded and bootlegged. Each released live albums at some point
and it would be hard to justify an argument that bootlegging hurt their
careers. We are lucky enough to live in a digital age where we can make exact
duplications of audio recordings....but there is nothing like going out to the
record store and picking up the new release by your favorite band. I had
abootlegged copy of Prince's "Black Album" on CD long before he made it an
official release. I still rushed out with all the other fans to pick it up
the day it came out officially.
At any rate, I think that the assumption that making up this bootleg and
giving it out will hurt CT's career is simply incorrect, and I hope that they
would agree with me. I can't wait to hear the bootleg!
Just my two cents....
/DAX
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:34:02 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
DaxDax wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/16/98 11:53:03 AM, you wrote:
>
> <
> undermine the integrity of the gift that was given to you and the cocteau
>
> twins. sure, they don't release live albums on cd and you're doing the fans
>
> a favor, but what happens when the bootleg cd becomes very popular and the
>
> twins want to release a live cd?>>
>
> Ok I own a record label so I have heard this argument and totally understand
> what you are saying. However, I don't think one person on this list wouldn't
> rush out and buy a live CT album released by the band, even if it is the same
> recording and quality of the bootleg. The artwork alone would justify the
> purchase. Take a band like the Grateful Dead or Metallica, who allowed their
> shows to be recorded and bootlegged. Each released live albums at some point
> and it would be hard to justify an argument that bootlegging hurt their
> careers. We are lucky enough to live in a digital age where we can make exact
> duplications of audio recordings....but there is nothing like going out to the
> record store and picking up the new release by your favorite band. I had
> abootlegged copy of Prince's "Black Album" on CD long before he made it an
> official release. I still rushed out with all the other fans to pick it up
> the day it came out officially.
>
> At any rate, I think that the assumption that making up this bootleg and
> giving it out will hurt CT's career is simply incorrect, and I hope that they
> would agree with me. I can't wait to hear the bootleg!
>
> Just my two cents....
>
> /DAX
I was going to write myself defending the positive aspects of
bootlegging, but you expressed my feelings about this issue much better
than I ever could... thankyou
I do hope it does get made. It wouldent stop me from buying any official
release, only help fill the gap between.
~MaRk~
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:36:02 -0800
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From: jack huynh
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
the commercial success of the grateful dead and metallica doesn't compare
to the twins. although the twins are by no means starving artists, i know
enough to know that they run various enterprises to keep afloat as artists.
of course bootlegs wouldn't hurt a career (would help them if they were up
and coming band), but i am talking about the bottom line of money and the
declining stream of revenue to them as artists. i do wish them commercial
success for the gift that we have given us. I've seen the numbers of their
best selling album and it's simply amazing how they compare to other bands
these days(that is to say that there number one is a drop in the bucket for
metallica). they have a cult following and our virtual community can make a
difference in how we affect their lives. whether it be bootlegs, rumors or
contributions, it gets around to them.
my previous email was not mean as an attack on mender by an mean, but i do
feel that this community as a whole should take about the repercussion of
her generosity. for once, that cd gets out, who will stop the careless
capitalist from duplicating that cd and sell it a lot more to the mass
public....
At 03:10 PM 1/16/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/16/98 11:53:03 AM, you wrote:
>
><
>undermine the integrity of the gift that was given to you and the cocteau
>
>twins. sure, they don't release live albums on cd and you're doing the fans
>
>a favor, but what happens when the bootleg cd becomes very popular and the
>
>twins want to release a live cd?>>
>
>Ok I own a record label so I have heard this argument and totally understand
>what you are saying. However, I don't think one person on this list wouldn't
>rush out and buy a live CT album released by the band, even if it is the same
>recording and quality of the bootleg. The artwork alone would justify the
>purchase. Take a band like the Grateful Dead or Metallica, who allowed their
>shows to be recorded and bootlegged. Each released live albums at some point
>and it would be hard to justify an argument that bootlegging hurt their
>careers. We are lucky enough to live in a digital age where we can make
exact
>duplications of audio recordings....but there is nothing like going out to
the
>record store and picking up the new release by your favorite band. I had
>abootlegged copy of Prince's "Black Album" on CD long before he made it an
>official release. I still rushed out with all the other fans to pick it up
>the day it came out officially.
>
>At any rate, I think that the assumption that making up this bootleg and
>giving it out will hurt CT's career is simply incorrect, and I hope that they
>would agree with me. I can't wait to hear the bootleg!
>
>Just my two cents....
>
>/DAX
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:38:45 +0000
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Sender: Cocteau Twins Discussion List
From: Doug
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
I have to agree with Jack in this instance. The recordings in question were made by
Cocteau Twins, not by some bootlegger. They recorded songs at the soundboard, not in
the audience. They are very high quality. What is at issue here is whether or not the
people making the CD's have the express permission of the Twins to do so. The Twins
gave a few (?) copies out as gifts, and then a few copies were made of those. The
people in possession of these tapes know they aren't supposed to copy them. Anyway,
the point is that once the cat is out of the bag, there's no stopping some
unscrupulous bootlegger from taking these pristine recordings and mass producing
them. It would be the bootleg the end all bootlegs - they are that good. The Twins,
who busted their collective asses to MAKE THIS MUSIC, WON'T SEE A GODDAMNED PENNY.
NOW, I KNOW YOUR INTENTIONS ARE GOOD, but once you do this, the songs will be
available to anyone. Right now, they are not. Mender, did Simon tell you it's okay to
do this? I know they don't plan on releasing anything on their label, but this takes
away their right to change their minds.
Proceed with extreme caution, and be sure of what you are doing.
Doug
DaxDax wrote:
> In a message dated 1/16/98 11:53:03 AM, you wrote:
>
> <
> undermine the integrity of the gift that was given to you and the cocteau
>
> twins. sure, they don't release live albums on cd and you're doing the fans
>
> a favor, but what happens when the bootleg cd becomes very popular and the
>
> twins want to release a live cd?>>
>
> Ok I own a record label so I have heard this argument and totally understand
> what you are saying. However, I don't think one person on this list wouldn't
> rush out and buy a live CT album released by the band, even if it is the same
> recording and quality of the bootleg. The artwork alone would justify the
> purchase. Take a band like the Grateful Dead or Metallica, who allowed their
> shows to be recorded and bootlegged. Each released live albums at some point
> and it would be hard to justify an argument that bootlegging hurt their
> careers. We are lucky enough to live in a digital age where we can make exact
> duplications of audio recordings....but there is nothing like going out to the
> record store and picking up the new release by your favorite band. I had
> abootlegged copy of Prince's "Black Album" on CD long before he made it an
> official release. I still rushed out with all the other fans to pick it up
> the day it came out officially.
>
> At any rate, I think that the assumption that making up this bootleg and
> giving it out will hurt CT's career is simply incorrect, and I hope that they
> would agree with me. I can't wait to hear the bootleg!
>
> Just my two cents....
>
> /DAX
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:57:33 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
> Just my two cents....
>
> /DAX
I was going to write myself defending the positive aspects of
bootlegging, but you expressed my feelings about this issue much better
than I ever could... thankyou
I do hope it does get made. It wouldent stop me from buying any official
release, only help fill the gap between.
~MaRk~>>
i must say i agree with dax and mark. i will buy any bootleg, and any
official release from the twins themselves. since it seems that "official"
releases from the twins are going to be dwindling.....well, all i have to say
is BOOTLEG AWAY!! i can understand jack's point, but it is not as if mender
has a copy of their next CD and is willing to bootleg it before official
release.
~melanie
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:45:54 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Subject: Fwd: Re: simon......
well anyways, i proposed the idea of the "final hurrah" to simon and this is
his reply.....i guess we know where the answer lies, as to who is not to
thrilled about being there.....
it's a great idea......but sadly a non-starter! robin and i would have
loved it, but well there you go!
hope to see you soon......simonxxx
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:01:22 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
i must add on this subject that while i dont think the twins have a problem
with people bootlegging their stuff, i wouldn't feel comfortable about it if
one or more of them didnt say it was ok. mender most likely feels the same
way. its not like she's trying to rip them off or anything.
~melanie
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:15:35 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
It doesn't matter what you will buy. You have still adversely affected the market
value of material that, in the end, is not yours. That's the only consideration. You
may buy everything, but most people would be satisfied with just one copy, regardless
of whether it is official or not.
To those who received the tapes as gifts.....is this really how you want to thank
them?
Fairieglo wrote:
> > Just my two cents....
> >
> > /DAX
>
> I was going to write myself defending the positive aspects of
> bootlegging, but you expressed my feelings about this issue much better
> than I ever could... thankyou
> I do hope it does get made. It wouldent stop me from buying any official
> release, only help fill the gap between.
> ~MaRk~>>
>
> i must say i agree with dax and mark. i will buy any bootleg, and any
> official release from the twins themselves. since it seems that "official"
> releases from the twins are going to be dwindling.....well, all i have to say
> is BOOTLEG AWAY!! i can understand jack's point, but it is not as if mender
> has a copy of their next CD and is willing to bootleg it before official
> release.
>
> ~melanie
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:09:22 -0500
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From: Cynthia Conrad and David Todd
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
We're not talking about making 1000s of copies, here . . . the 240-odd fans
subscribed to this list surely must be a drop in the bucket compared to the
1000s that would also be interested (if only they knew). And not all of the
240 listees are going to be interested . . .
Saying that there is a possibility that the Gifts CD might fall into the
wrong
hands is simply nay-saying. Milk and Kisses, to be sure, has already fallen
into the wrong hands in Signapore (or somewhere) and is being booted
and there's nothing that we can do about that (except to buy from reputable
shops).
It's *that* kind of bootlegging that takes the royalties out of the band's
pockets,
not the unofficial distribution of concerts among "fans" (that *is* what all
240
of us are, right? Not pirates, not money grubbing traitors) . . . I, for
one, would
never sell my copy of the Gifts CD! A band cannot lose royalties and their
record companies cannot lose profits unless the material in question is an
official release. The inflated estimates of losses due to concert piracy
are
totally fabricated. It's like a major US abel saying, had we signed that
band
that decided to go indie, we could have made millions and the only reason
that the indie label only made $30,000 was due to lack of promotion. If
they
put that kind of thing on their tax forms as a capital loss, the IRS would
be
knocking on their door a few months later, briefcases in hand.
Remember that without promotion, concert boots are only interesting to fans.
Next remember that if the CTs ever did decide to release this particular
show,
they would probably do some tinkering with it (remixing or digital cleaning)
and it would be of even higher quality than mmmender's tape and therefore,
would be then much more attractive than the boot. Also, it might be only
released partially, or on a live CD that takes its material from various
shows.
Take for example, the CT box set and the CD bootleg--the name escapes me
now--"Lost Treasures?", but anyway, the boot had a number of the EPs on it,
just like the box set. However, I'm sure that the box set sold much much
better,
despite the boot, and maybe even because of it. What fan, after having had
a
small taste of the box set, couldn't help but run out to get the full
version?
Incidently, the Twins didn't know when giving these gifts whether eventually
the
tape would fall into the wrong hands; if they're not worried about it, then
why
should we be worried for them? Not only that, but while no profit will be
made
on mmmender's CD, who among us wouldn't have picked it up if we saw a
bootlegged version at a record convention and didn't have the more "honest"
copy?
There's probably a lot more I could argue here, but for the sake of
bandwidth,
I'll just say that I think mmmender's generosity has been demonstrated over
and over to each fan on this list, and to blast her for her sharing her
Gifts with
us is ungrateful indeed!
--Cynthia
dirigibl@javanet.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:42:08 -0500
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From: "leesa (mender)"
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
well, i've been dragged over the coals enough for one day on this issue but
i feel i have to respond to all of the comments about the cd i was planning
on putting together.
first off, i think you all know that i am one of the most dedicated cocteau
twins fans on the planet and i would never dream of doing anything that
would jeopardize my relationship with the band, which is what some of you
are suggesting. my intention here is not to make money, not at all, so if
that's what some of you are thinking....think again. if that were the
case, why didn't i offer to sell the 'interesting' out-takes and behind the
scenes footage that i posess from my recent visit to september sound during
the "muscle and want" film shoot? i'm certain that would have made me a
mint. but i do have some integrity and most importantly, i have the utmost
respect for the band for allowing me access to their studio and their
private lives.
my intention with the 'live gifts' bootleg was merely to offer other fans
access to something that they long to have, which is a superb live
recording of their favorite band in concert! for most of us, it captures an
experience that we've already had and brings back fond memories of concerts
gone by. for others who've never seen a show, it offers them a taste of
the cocteaus live. is that really so horrid?
i'm truly sorry if any of you felt that my offer was an attempt at
monopolizing on the cocteau twins. i wasn't planning on pressing a zillion
copies and selling them worldwide, i was merely going to see how many
people were interested and work out the price of the disc divided by that
number. isn't that exactly what was done recently with the video
compilation? did the twins make any money from that deal? i think not! i
could easily make an audiotape of the show and ship them off but i just
thought it would be nice to have it mastered along with a nice cover.
forgive me for causing such an uproar but due to this overwhelming
negativity, i must retract my offer of producing 'live gifts' as i feel it
may jeopordize my friendships and integrity here. besides, i'm pregnant
and i really just can't deal with the stress of this.
once again, sorry.
-------------------------------------------------------
~ mender ~
leesa beales
the cocteau cafe:
http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cHTML/
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:15:56 -0800
Reply-To: sds@NEWORLD.NET
Sender: Cocteau Twins Discussion List
From: John & Kelley Neff
Organization: Sacramento Drafting Services
Subject: Live Gifts
Thanks, guys.
Maybe you're down on the idea because you already have soundboard
quality live recordings, and really begrudge the rest of us experiencing
them.
Perhaps with Leesa being so close to the Twins, she know first-hand that
they wouldn't mind so much....
As for me, LEESA, PLEASE RECONSIDER!!!! :)
joey
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:41:09 -0600
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From: Brianna
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, leesa (mender) wrote:
> my intention with the 'live gifts' bootleg was merely to offer other fans
> access to something that they long to have, which is a superb live
> recording of their favorite band in concert! for most of us, it captures an
> experience that we've already had and brings back fond memories of concerts
> gone by. for others who've never seen a show, it offers them a taste of
> the cocteaus live. is that really so horrid?
I've been on this list for about a week now -
My CT collection is quite small, about 9 CDs that I've been paying around
$25 each "import prices"- 'cause noone carries the CDs, and noone listens
to them and noone's even heard about them here..
anyways, i get on this list and all these doors open up for me.. i realize
how HUGE a spectrum of music the CT's have produced, made etc.. and it
just blows me away. This offer was like a dream come true. I'll NEVER get
to hear some of the music you guys take for granted.. the stuff you've got
kicken' around I'd build a shrine to. I can NEVER hope to see them live
and it's one of my dreams.. All you ppl out there with the technology to
even copy CDs, wow.. anyways. I don't know what more to say. If i could
go out and buy the box set i would. If the Ct's decided to put out
anything I'd buy it (if i could get ahold of it).
I wish Leesa would reconsider also. "Gifts" couldn't possibly say it
enough for me.
~ brianna
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:50:48 -0500
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From: Paul Spirito
Subject: Re: Live Gifts
From: John & Kelley Neff :
>As for me, LEESA, PLEASE RECONSIDER!!!! :)
I want to second that. I don't think the response has been overwhelmingly
negative -- just the opposite, the overwhelming majority of us appreciate
your generosity. The only negative remarks have been made by Jack & Doug, &,
while I respect their desire to protect the Twins, I feel that their
analysis is simply wrong. I doubt there's a single person who'd buy a copy
of this recording who would not also run out & buy any official live
release. Certainly, *I've* never known anyone who cared enough about a band
to buy/trade bootlegs & not to buy their official concert releases (perhaps
Doug does? He has some weird friends.).
I'm sure members of this list have collectively spent tens of thousands of
dollars on Twins recordings & concerts over the years, as well as giving
them our support & devotion. I hope & believe they wouldn't begrudge us
trading (or selling at cost) concert recordings, videos, &c. that aren't be
otherwise available. I wouldn't have gotten involved with Stratton's video
compilation otherwise.
I think you're sharing, not exploiting, your relationship with the Twins, &
I'm grateful that you've considered doing so.
Paul
Gallery of Trainwreck Prose #2:
http://www.salonmagazine.com/ent/movies/1998/01/cov_16woody.html
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:48:48 -0600
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From: Stratton Davis
Subject: Fw: Welcome to the Cocteau Twins Discussion List
----------
> From: Ian Caporali
> To: COCTEAU-L-request@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: Welcome to the Cocteau Twins Discussion List
> Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 1:58 PM
>
> Hi, my name is Ian and I live in San Francisco right now and
> am new to this list. I think it's great to have a connection to alot of
> people who have the same appreciation for what I consider one of the
> most heavily influential bands I've ever come across. I remember seeing
> CTwins back in '96 and was blown away by the swirls and shimmers coming
> out of Robin's guitar, not to mention Liz's voice. I was listening to a
> rare Live in London '86 CD the other day and was in heaven with this
> track simply called "Instrumental". I've never heard anything else quite
> like it.
>
> I write and play just as well, but am looking to collaborate and jam
> with other people here in the bay area.
> If anyone knows of or plays please feel free to drop me a line. I've
> been playing for some time and have done a few gigs lately, but am still
> looking for other people whom I can really groove with. Anyways, I am
> excited to be on this list and look forward to your responses.
>
>
> yours truly,
>
> Ian Caporali
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:30:25 -0500
Reply-To: mondacello@bond.net
Sender: Cocteau Twins Discussion List
From: mondacello
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS
leesa (mender) wrote:
> forgive me for causing such an uproar but due to this overwhelming
> negativity, i must retract my offer of producing 'live gifts' as i feel it
> may jeopordize my friendships and integrity here. besides, i'm pregnant
> and i really just can't deal with the stress of this.
> once again, sorry.
I'm sorry that it turned out like this... I hope it didn't upset you too
much. I think it was pretty rude to be treated like that by some people
you considered friends, and I'm saddened by that myself although I
really don't know you. I think they owe you a heartfelt apology... you
were only trying to give a true gift of love.
~MaRk~
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:55:19 MST
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From: "JONATHAN W. GRAY"
Subject: Live Gifts etc.
Hello
I only found out about the CT discussion list a couple of days ago and this is
my first contribution.
I think what leesa did by offering "Live Gifts" was truly wonderful and I am
sorry that negative responses caused her stress. As a father myself I can only
hope that others respect her decision. The true gift is that there are people
like her willing to give up their time and energy in order to share something
beautiful with others.
Though I've been a CT fan since HOH I've never been able to see them live
because I'm disabled - this also limits me obtaining much in the way of
rarities ... If anyone can give me info on how to get videos, live recordings,
etc. I'd be more than grateful.
I may be 34 (like Liz) but I'm new to computers, the internet, etc. so if
someone can tell me what "flaming" is I'll make sure not to do it.
I'm also curious about literary influences of the CTs - I would guess Rilke
after "Rilkean Heart" but does anyone know more?
I must say that so far most CT fans seem like especially fine people...
Jonathan
jwgray@stu.athabascau.ca
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:59:00 -0500
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From: Paul Spirito
Subject: Re: Live Gifts etc.
From: JONATHAN W. GRAY
>I'm also curious about literary influences of the CTs - I would guess Rilke
>after "Rilkean Heart" but does anyone know more?
Not much. "Four Calendar Cafe" is a phrase from the book "Blue Highways" by
William Least Heat Moon. I haven't read it, but apparently he rates cafes
according to how many calendars they have on the walls. Four is pretty good,
though not the best.
A couple of years ago, Liz specifically denied having read Joyce.
Paul
Gallery of Trainwreck Prose #2:
http://www.salonmagazine.com/ent/movies/1998/01/cov_16woody.html
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:28:56 EST
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From: Raxalah
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Subject: Re: more archive digging
In a message dated 98-01-15 20:59:31 EST, you write:
<< Maybe i'm getting a little too ambitious, but does anyone know anything
about "Death of Polly" from the Murder Ballads? >>
when i first read this at work yesterday i thought you mean the Nick Cave
album, _Murder_Ballads_. "oh. i have that", i thoguth so i saved the message
to reply to whne i had the album handy...i do have it with me right now, and i
notice that there is not a song called "Death of Polly"....so i must ask, what
are you talking about...
Rax.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:51:42 UT
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From: Antonio Larrinaga
Subject: Re: the site
Thank you!!!!
I just woke up, listening to Faye Wong's interpretations of CT,( just got them
yesterday), I was begining to worry@#$%!
Bye*&^%
----------
From: Cocteau Twins Discussion List on behalf of mmmmmmmmmm
Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 9:34 AM
To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
Subject: the site
the main domain name (www.cocteautwins.com) doesn't seem to be working
today (at least for me) for those of you who don't know the 'back door
entrance' here it is:
http://205.147.5.69/home.html
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:07:05 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Live Gifts Ain't Yours To Give
If I thought about it too long, I could really get pissed off about some of the
responses I've seen on this listserv. While yes, predictably, those who have the tape
(for the most part) have been somewhat hesitant to have copies made, those who don't
have it have been even more predictable because they couldn't give a shit about the
repercussions - they just want the fuckin' tape. Let me tell you what I care about:
I care about Jack, being the initial source, taking responsibility for a gift that is
now in going to be in wide distribution;
I care about mmmender beyond her ability to provide you all with a unique listening
experience. It's a nice thought, but if her relationship with the band deteriorates
over this it isn't worth it. I asked her if she received a go ahead...and got no
response. I can read between the lines, can you?
And finally, I care about the Cocteau Twins. Believe it or not their appeal isn't
restricted to the people on the listserv. They are not wealthy by rock star
standards, and this recording has market value for them. If it gets out, it will be
bootlegged. Regardless of how many copies are made now, and regardless of how well
you protect your copy, someone will fuck up.
Bottomline: If Jack got the original copy, and he doesn't want you to do
this......DON'T DO IT. If you don't have the express or even the implied permission
of the Twins.....DON'T DO IT. Do I need to point out that the comp video has nothing
on it that wasn't released commercially or broadcasted?
If any one wants to take exception with my point of view....e-mail me personally. And
don't waste my time with "it's only a few copies for fans who would buy everything
anyway."
Doug
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:28:12 -0800
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From: Michael Horgan
Subject: video comp & mender CD??
Hi all,
I'm a recent joiner, so don't feel like I have much voice in this
group, but...
First, many thanks to Stratton (and "Paul the dubber") for the
just-received video compilation. Several clips blew me away...
And after the recent flurry about mender's proposed (withdrawn?)
CD, I find myself feeling guilty for having bought the video. My thoughts
are that both sides have good points. The issue of releasing a bootleg is
not so much who mender sells it to; the problem is if one of those then
does an unscrupulous mass production for profit. And thats a problem
mender can't control, except by not doing it to begin with. A sorry
situation indeed.
Only resolution I can see is an "unofficial" comment from the band,
thumbs up/down, to remove the onus from mender. Is that a possibility?
And if thumbs up, please sign me up, mender!
Calm and lazy Michael
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:49:50 -0500
Reply-To: mondacello@bond.net
Sender: Cocteau Twins Discussion List
From: mondacello
Subject: Re: Live Gifts Ain't Yours To Give
Doug wrote:
If I thought about it too long, I could really get pissed off about some
of the responses I've seen on this listserv. While yes, predictably,
those who have the tape (for the most part) have been somewhat hesitant
to have copies made, those who don't have it have been even more
predictable because they couldn't give a shit about the repercussions -
they just want the fuckin' tape. Let me tell you what I care about:
I care about Jack, being the initial source, taking responsibility for
a gift that is now in going to be in wide distribution; I care about
mmmender beyond her ability to provide you all with a unique listening
experience. It's a nice thought, but if her relationship with the band
deteriorates over this it isn't worth it. I asked her if she received a
go ahead...and got no response. I can read between the lines, can you?
And finally, I care about the Cocteau Twins. Believe it or not their
appeal isn't restricted to the people on the listserv. They are not
wealthy by rock star standards, and this recording has market value for
them. If it gets out, it will be bootlegged. Regardless of how many
copies are made now, and regardless of how well you protect your copy,
someone will fuck up.
ok, ok I get your point and I do understand where you're coming from...
but you don't have to get all high and mighty about it. If you were not
'blessed' with the good fortune of obtaining a copy, you would more than
likely be one of those who "just want the fuckin' tape". I think your
attitude towards those of us 'have-nots' shows a lack of respect and
courtesy.
The disc won't be made and that's that... all I can say is I still think
you owe Leesa an apology, she didn't mean any harm and no harm was done.
Get over it.
(sorry for adding this to the list... get pissed off, I don't care)
~MaRk~
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:50:36 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Subject: Re: video comp & mender CD??
In a message dated 1/17/98 1:40:03 PM, you wrote:
<<
Only resolution I can see is an "unofficial" comment from the band,
thumbs up/down, to remove the onus from mender. Is that a possibility?
And if thumbs up, please sign me up, mender!
Calm and lazy Michael>>
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:56:04 EST
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From: Fairieglo
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Subject: Re: video comp & mender CD??
In a message dated 1/17/98 1:40:03 PM, you wrote:
<<
Only resolution I can see is an "unofficial" comment from the band,
thumbs up/down, to remove the onus from mender. Is that a possibility?
And if thumbs up, please sign me up, mender!
Calm and lazy Michael>>
damn cats stepping on the keyboard and sending before i am ready....
anyways, i agreee with this....yes, i want a copy, as i am sure everyone else
does too....i DO seem to remember reading somewhere that the twins had no
problem with bootlegs. i don't think mender would do anything that would go
against the twins' wishes. the bottom line is this....if it is OK with the
twins, then why do you all care so much about what could "possibly" happen if
this CD is made? the cocteau's are disbanding, unfortunately, so i doubt
this limited bootleg will harm their future releases.
~melanie
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:29:05 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Live Gifts
Sorry if I'm coming off like the bad guy in all of this. If presenting a sane,
compelling argument makes me "high and mighty", so be it (Guilty!) I don't owe Leesa
an apology, I said nothing that requires one. I only wanted her to be SURE of what
she was doing. I know her and her motivations better than 99% of the people on the
list...give me a break.
One final thought......Leesa asked me if I wanted a copy of the CD in question. I
said YES. I still do, but not under these circumstances.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:01:00 EST
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From: DaxDax
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Subject: Re: Live Gifts
In a message dated 1/17/98 2:30:25 PM, you wrote:
<>
WHAT???
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:02:23 -0800
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From: John & Kelley Neff
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Subject: Live Gifts
HUH?
I've got it!!!
Why don't we add a little $$$ to the price of each CD, send it to mender
and she can forward it to the twins. We'll make it worth their while,
maybe more than they make per pressing from each regular release. It
would be worth it to me....
Smile everyone! Lighten up! We're all on the same team!
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:17:25 PST
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From: "Berk ~"
Subject: Leesa's "Live Gifts"
Well Leesa, why not e-mail Simon and Robin about this. I think you can
have CDs printed in batches as small as 300. You could propose only
printing a small number, distributing them only to people through this
list and the web site, limit distribution to ONE per fan, and add $5. to
the cost of each CD which in turn would be sent to the band. That sure
as shit wouldn't be bootlegging in any form, and I think Simon and Robin
are cool enough to go along with something like this. Especially since
it would be their loyal following producing and buying the CDs.
{{Psst...if that doesn't work, let me borrow your tape so I can make a
digital copy ;)}}
~Berk
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:22:12 EST
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From: Yummycats
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Subject: Re: Leesa's "Live Gifts"
In a message dated 98-01-17 18:17:55 EST, you write:
<< I think you can
have CDs printed in batches as small as 300. You could propose only
printing a small number, distributing them only to people through this
list and the web site, limit distribution to ONE per fan, and add $5. to
the cost of each CD which in turn would be sent to the band. That sure
as shit wouldn't be bootlegging in any form, and I think Simon and Robin
are cool enough to go along with something like this. Especially since
it would be their loyal following producing and buying the CDs. >>
The Breeders did something similar, as do many other bands. There are
official fan-club type releases. Breeders have released a "Live In Stockholm"
CD and send out 7" demos as well.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:40:09 -0500
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From: "leesa (mender)"
Subject: Re: Live Gifts Ain't Yours To Give
>I asked her if she received a go ahead...and got no response. I can read
>between the lines, can you?
doug, do you often jump to conclusions simply because someone hasn't
responded to your email.
how about the fact that simon's response is none of your business!
give it a rest alright, i get your point!
I'M NOT DOING THE FUCKIN CD, CASE CLOSED!
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:51:20 -0800
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From: Joseph Schlottman
Subject: Re: LIVE GIFTS TRACK LISTING
Wow - I'll definitely be in on this, when it's available.
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, mmmmmmmmmm wrote:
> i forgot to give you the track listing for the upcoming "live gifts" cd
> (there are 17 tracks in total!!)
>=20
> (1) blue bell knoll
> (2) from the flagstones
> (3) my love paramour
> (4) cico buff
> (5) pitch the baby
> (6) crushed
> (7) iceblink luck
> (8) orange, appled
> (9) wolf in the breast
> (10) mizake the mizan
> (11) aikea guinea
> (12) cherry coloured funk
> (13) road, river and rail
> (14) a kissed out red floatboat
> (15) pink, orange, red
> (16) whales tails
> (17) heaven or las vegas
>
> {{{{mmmmender}}}}
>
> "i was sad all day 'til you licked my bellybutton"
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> The Cocteau Cafe: http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cHTML/
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:17:38 -0800
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From: Eileen F Paredes
Subject: Re: COCTEAU-L Digest - 12 Jan 1998 to 13 Jan 1998
hmm...
first of all, hi xanthra! I remember your e-name from the lists of old
(sorry, I'm making this sound like the list has been up as long as the
Twins have). It's good to hear from ya again...
okay, next...not to belabor this thread, but I have mixed feelings about
CT's last-album idea. When something's sooo good, you want it to last
forever, yet there's a point where creative minds want to be set free.
Or at least given a few years' sabbatical :-)
as for the big send-off, how about a live online thingie?? Like most of
you, I'm cash-strapped. Gotta pay back those pesky student loans...
eileen
Yikes! Another Cocteau Twins fanpage at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/5194/index.html
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:06:00 +0000
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From: DANIEL CANTY
Subject: Re: Live Gifts
Doug,
Can you define the circumstances under which you WOULD want a copy of this CD?
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:53:16 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Re: Live Gifts
Although we're beating what amounts to a dead horse...
Circumstances Defined: Someone gets permission (express or implied) from one of the
principals (a Cocteau Twin) to reproduce their recording. And when questioned, the
person who received the permission would feel confident enough to respond to any
inquiries in an affirmative manner. (So, uh, just between you and me.....what
mmmender said to me about it being "between Simon and I" or that it's "none of your
business" wouldn't cut it. After all, if I really had the green light, why the fuck
would I care about what anybody says?)
Signed, The Devils' Advocate
Doug
DANIEL CANTY wrote:
> Doug,
>
> Can you define the circumstances under which you WOULD want a copy of this CD?
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:57:44 -0800
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From: Eileen F Paredes
Subject: on tatoos...
Andre writes (re Liz's arms):
>and the reason she always worn long sleeves is because she is hiding
tatoos she >has on her arm.DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHAT THE TATOOS LOOK LIKE?
I could barely make them out, but I remember they weren't big, but they
were too faded out for me to read em...I think one of them refers to
Siouxsie Sioux. If she got 'em removed, I dunno if that was before the
June 23 show or after.
Fairieglo adds:
>one side said something about sex pistols or sid vicious, the other
>arm said something about siouxsie, i believe siouxsie might have been
spelled
>wrong. this may not be entirely correct because when she showed us, it
was
>very quickly because she was embarrassed about it. she has since had
them
>removed.
Try sneaking a peek at 'em while trying to be polite: "Oh! Um...hi Liz.
How's your voice? (brief reply in unintelligible Scottish) Oh, that's
cool (spy tattoos here) uhh...take care now! Bye! (very quaint "thank
you" in reply) (turn to stranger next to you) Wow! That was
cool....Did you see her tattoos?"
;-)
eileen
((((((((((()))))))))))
Yikes! Another Cocteau Twins fanpage at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/5194/index.html
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:42:49 -0800
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From: Eileen F Paredes
Subject: mix bag of consequences
Hey everyone,
the topic du jour focuses on bootlegs. Now, I'm pretty sure at least
99.9% of the video-watching public in America have taped a rented movie.
And many listies here, including myself, have traded for boots, video
comps, etc.
While bootlegging and video-dubbing eventually harm the business
producing and selling videos, cds, and other intellectual property, there
are acceptable practices.
For example, by a legal rule called License, we (the public) are allowed
to make copies for *personal* enjoyment, which is what most of us do when
we compile songs from cd to tape (or cd to cdrom, whatever). The limits
are: no public distribution and no money profit from the copying. What
does this have to do with leesa's offer (or stratton's)? Provided
neither turn a profit on distributing the videos or boots, neither
crosses the threshold of licensing limits. It would be as if two people
traded for goods of equal value. The drawback? If the person offering
the stuff got it illegally, then it's a no-no.
I'm not giving legal advice here...I haven't passed the Bar yet. But
what I'm suggesting is that the mutual sharing and trading of property,
without profit, could be okay. Just be careful if you decide to mass
produce (which is what jack alludes to).
eileen
p.s. I could get raked over with the legal stuff too. No worry, I plan
to take Copyrights next fall. Oh, and another note...my email program,
Juno, allows me (by license) to copy their program and send it to anyone
I want, provided I don't get money for it.
Yikes! Another Cocteau Twins fanpage at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/5194/index.html
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:28:19 EST
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From: Fairieglo
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Subject: Re: on tatoos...
In a message dated 1/17/98 8:51:48 PM, you wrote:
<>
i think at that time she was in the middle of laser removal....i think it
takes a few times for them to be completely gone.
~melanie
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:52:12 CST
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From: Michael Cheselka
Subject: Fan Club releases
What ever happened to the fan club? Couldn't this CD( Live
Gifts) and others like it, be released like that?
There once was a fan club and a single fan club release...
BTW, when I asked about live releases Robin pointed me to
Lincoln Fong, their sound man of many years. He has almost
hundred live quality recordings, the later ones are DATs.
They are dead set against releasing live CDs.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:13:59 +0100
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From: Klaus
Subject: The Bluebeard-CD is still available...
Hello Listies,
i think, in the last weeks are a few new members here. Welcome to the list!
And so i will again say: the Bluebeard-CD from the CTs is still available here
in Germany.
If anyone is interested, email my privatly:
eichfeld@t-online.de
The price is for the CD and stamps and package all together 11 US$. The price is
only so high, because the stamps are nearly for the same price like the CD.
German SnailMail is expensive...
The CD is from the year 1994 and with these tracks:
1. Bluebeard 3.54
2. Three Swept 3.36
3. Ice-pulse 3.45
4. Bluebeard (Acoustic Version) 2.53
Klaus
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:10:19 -0500
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From: "leesa (mender)"
Subject: Re: Live Gifts
>Circumstances Defined: Someone gets permission (express or implied) from
one >of >the principals (a Cocteau Twin) to reproduce their recording.
doug, did you get permission from the cocteau twins to receive a copy of
the "unoffical video compilation" that you purchased (and i assume you
didn't make the cheque out to 'bella union'!
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:15:21 -0800
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From: Jaymin
Subject: live gifts-how to get it
I'm new to the list and was wondering how to get a copy of this live gifts
cd. I get the impression that it was burned by someone on the list.
Jaymyn Benjaymin Kesslyr
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:19:51 -0800
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From: haunting ghost
Subject: on a soap box again
You can put away your soap box now, Dougie boy. And take your elitist
attitude along with it. Your bid to take center stage, by always
being embroiled in controversy, has finally reached the point where
you've fucked things up for everybody else. Don't insult our
intelligence by saying that it was only your selfless concern for
Jack, Mender, and the Cocteaus that was the impetus for your ranting.
If that were the case you would have expressed your views to Mender in
a more civil and private manner than the public berating you gave her
here. Expressing your views is fine, but when your side-show,
chest-beating, passive-aggressive bullshit affects everyone else, it's
time to put a muzzle on it!
haunting ghost
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:51:52 -0800
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From: "Xanthra ."
Subject: Re: on a soap box again
haunting ghost wrote:
> You can put away your soap box now, Dougie boy. And take your elitist
> attitude along with it. Your bid to take center stage, by always
> being embroiled in controversy, has finally reached the point where
> you've fucked things up for everybody else. Don't insult our
> intelligence by saying that it was only your selfless concern for
> Jack, Mender, and the Cocteaus that was the impetus for your ranting.
> If that were the case you would have expressed your views to Mender in
> a more civil and private manner than the public berating you gave her
> here. Expressing your views is fine, but when your side-show,
> chest-beating, passive-aggressive bullshit affects everyone else, it's
> time to put a muzzle on it!
>
> haunting ghost
>
How DO you spell hypocrite?
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:57:01 -0800
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From: haunting ghost
Subject: Re: on a soap box again
>How DO you spell hypocrite?
Well now Xanthra, I'm not professing to be Doug's friend as a means of
disguising my intent, now am I? Perhaps my whole message eluded you.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:04:58 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Re: Live Gifts
Enough of this Leesa. One day you may actually feel thankful for the points I made in
discussion. I'm sorry you chose to view it the way that you did.
For your further edification, I didn't purchase the video comp. Check your facts.
Doug
leesa (mender) wrote:
> >Circumstances Defined: Someone gets permission (express or implied) from
> one >of >the principals (a Cocteau Twin) to reproduce their recording.
>
> doug, did you get permission from the cocteau twins to receive a copy of
> the "unoffical video compilation" that you purchased (and i assume you
> didn't make the cheque out to 'bella union'!
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:08:47 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Re: on a soap box again
You are a fool. So steeped in conviction, you don't even have the balls to use your
name.
haunting ghost wrote:
> You can put away your soap box now, Dougie boy. And take your elitist
> attitude along with it. Your bid to take center stage, by always
> being embroiled in controversy, has finally reached the point where
> you've fucked things up for everybody else. Don't insult our
> intelligence by saying that it was only your selfless concern for
> Jack, Mender, and the Cocteaus that was the impetus for your ranting.
> If that were the case you would have expressed your views to Mender in
> a more civil and private manner than the public berating you gave her
> here. Expressing your views is fine, but when your side-show,
> chest-beating, passive-aggressive bullshit affects everyone else, it's
> time to put a muzzle on it!
>
> haunting ghost
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:11:01 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Re: on a soap box again
Perhaps your whole message is without merit. You've learned the words (e.g.,
passive-aggressive) -- intuitively, the next step is to learn what they mean.
haunting ghost wrote:
> >How DO you spell hypocrite?
>
> Well now Xanthra, I'm not professing to be Doug's friend as a means of
> disguising my intent, now am I? Perhaps my whole message eluded you.
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:16:44 EST
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From: DaxDax
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Subject: Re: on a soap box again
This discussion grows more amusing the nastier and more childish it gets.....
/DAX
In a message dated 1/18/98 11:14:22 AM, you wrote:
<>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:48:12 -0600
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From: Stratton Davis
Subject: next topic please...
Okay friends...
I think enough has been said on the subject of the 'live gifts' bootleg and
the controversy surrounding it. It was an exciting prospect but it's not
going to happen. Valid points were made in the debate but now its lost its
meaning for the list. Remember, there are nearly 300 people who get an
email everytime you send it to the list. I would bet that 90% of them
don't care to read about this anymore. We're here to discuss the band, the
music and *hopefully* to make some new friends. Let's keep that in mind.
If we don't then we're going to have people sign off because they're tired
of what they consider junk mail. The idea is for the list to grow...not
shrink...especially in a time that's plagued by rumors of a breakup of the
band.
Let's move on...
Stratton
___________________
stratton@ballistic.com
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:52:44 -0500
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From: "leesa (mender)"
Subject: Re: next topic please...
I
>Okay friends...
>I think enough has been said on the subject of the 'live gifts' bootleg and
>the controversy surrounding it.
>Stratton
i'm with you on that point stratton!
-------------------------------------------------------
~ mender ~
leesa beales
the cocteau cafe:
http://www.cocteautwins.org/~leesa/cocteautwins/cHTML/
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:59:06 EST
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From: Raxalah
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Subject: Re: on a soap box again
In a message dated 98-01-18 14:20:15 EST, you write:
<< This discussion grows more amusing the nastier and more childish it
gets.....
/DAX >>
i must disagree with you Dax! i grow tired of this....(ha, i have disagreed
with you ! touche, let us fight to the death with electronic word barrages!!!
:) )
anyway, i want everyone out there to read the following, and then DO IT!
step 1. find your copy of _Victorialand_.
step 2. play it loud enough to drown out the outside noise.
step 3. sit in a comfortable position and breath deeply, feel your breaths,
listen to the waves of saxaphone from "Lazy Calm" wash over you. as you
breath in, breathe in the beauty and majesty that is _Victorialand_, as you
breath out, relax your body and let all of these issues just leave your
consciousness....keep breathing and listening until you feel calm and not
upset anymore...
now that you are calm, i want to say one little thing -- i think that what
happened here the past few days has been a communication problem. i have read
much from all of the parties involved, and i think that everyone was just
trying to be nice and helpful --mmmmedner to the fans, doug to the Twins.
BOTH WERE RIGHT in their own particular context....
we have had a slight communication difficulty, but no one really needs to sit
and throw names at each other. just listen to _Victorialand_...
that is all....
Raxalah
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:35:18 -0500
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From: Tad Rollow
Subject: Re: on a soap box again
> listen to the waves of saxaphone from "Lazy Calm" wash over you.
saxomophone? wow.... hee hee
thanks you
zarbet
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:49:25 -0800
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From: Jennifer Dunnam
Subject: Re: CT video comp. update
At 06:51 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey everybody,
>
>If you sent in a request for a copy of the compilation video then you
>should have been contacted with payment information by now. If you haven't
>been then please email me.
I sent in my info but haven't heard anything. Was this supposed to be via
snail-mail or e-mail?
Jennifer Dunnam
2544 Aldrich South #3
Minneapolis, MN 55405
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:53:39 -0800
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From: Jennifer Dunnam
Subject: Oops!!
What an idiot! Isn't there an "unsend" button on here somewhere? :-)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:47:29 -0600
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From: "David M. Blalock"
Subject: Looking for chords (in all the wrong places)
Greetings, Folks,
Does anyone know where I can find either guitar tablature or chords for the
Twins' music? I seem to remember seeing this question posted here before,
but for the life of me I can't find it in any of the old email I have
squirreled away.
Thanks,
-dmb
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:43:35 -0500
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From: Greg
Subject: pandora's box
I've seen several references to Pandora's Box on this list. What is it?
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:18:24 -0500
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From: Greg
Subject: Digital Parking Lot
What is the Digital Parking Lot?
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:30:44 +0000
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From: Doug
Subject: Two Birds With One Stone
Greg wrote:
> I've seen several references to Pandora's Box on this list. What is it?
Pandora's Box is the forum at the CocteauTwins website where can exchange
pleasantries, daily rants, etc., with like-minded Twinheads. A fine little place.
The Digital Parking Lot is another section of the site where visitors can order
Cocteau-related merchandise and music online - direct from the Twins' own stock.
Both can be found at "www.cocteautwins.com"
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:13:34 GMT
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From: Mike Naylor
Subject: Live Gifts reaction and other FLAK!!!!
I just wanted to express my incomprehension at the reaction of certain
contributors to the list over the weekend in their reaction to the mmmmender
CD thing!
Where the hell do people get off getting as outright aggressive at that with
someone (especially someone who is a long established 'friend' and
contributor to this circle/list).
As someone quite accurately identified, what happened to any similar
reaction to the CT video compilation organised by Stratton?? none! what
happens when people post items for sale on this list (some of which can
certainly be found in record stores if you look hard and long enough?? nothing!!
surely by trading such items on this list we are preventing our friendly
record store owners from making a small profit to put bread on the table for
their families???? (don't bother blasting me for that comment, Its called
sarcasm!!)
I don't know mmmmender personally but feel I can appreciate her position
over this and her motives for offering the CD were certainly NOT (in my
humble opinion) driven by a matter of profit, so BACK OFF!
Pity people didn't bear the points Stratton has just made, in mind at the
beginning of the discussion!
mike
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:01:52 +1100
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