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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:53:51 PST
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From: Miss Epoch
Subject: Re: a couple of cool CT articles...
*****so this has nothing to do with the msg i'm replying to....i simply
need to know why i'm unable to get to treasure....i was at 10am..& not
at 420...if you have the key...or 411...please e me...at
missepoch@hotmail.com... sunshine & gumdrop kisses for all!
>
>I was browsing through the Addicted To Noise site(www.addict.com) and
came
>across an interview with the Twins ca. late 1995 that I don't recall
>reading. Some of it is familiar but then some of it isn't. It may be
old
>news to some but here's the URL just in case. It has QT videos
available
>for download throughout as well as sound files of different songs. It
also
>has a link to Music Boulevard where you can order much of the older
CD's as
>well as some rare import items.
>
>http://www.addict.com/issues/2.05/Features/Cocteau_Twins/index.html
>
>I hooked into the site below via the above article and found this very
>interesting interview/biography with the band. It has some fascinating
>information on Liz's early musical influences as well as information
about
>her parent's, Robin's and her employment experiences in Grangemouth.
>
>http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/1482720884897386_105_211092
>
>
>Stratton
>___________________
>stratton@ballistic.com
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:36:11 EST
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From: Ssocarras
Subject: CT Interview/Addicted to Noise
In a message dated 98-03-02 21:14:47 EST, you write:
<< http://www.addict.com/issues/2.05/Features/Cocteau_Twins/index.html >>
The site above has a CT interview. Like Stratton said the interview is dated
a bit, but is still interesting reading. Thanks, Stratton.
Siuberto
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:19:20 -0800
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From: Billie Bastard
Subject: A few comments from a stranger
Just to warn you now, I'm going to be really self-indulgent without saying
anything that would even be remotely useful or of interest to anyone that
isn't me so feel free to delete this message now.
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Hey everyone. My name's Douglas and I'm not on this mailing list so I've
snuck onto my girlfriend's computer for a bit. I just wanted to make some
comments about the Twins. I'm a fairly new "Twinee" (bad timing with good
bands seems to be an innate gift of mine) so I'd never really given the
band a good look before until I recently got my little paws on some video
footage through your friendly neighborhood philanthropist Stratton Davis.
First, I have to say that how I ever side-stepped the Cocteau Twins is a
complete mystery to me as I'm completely immersed in pop music 25 hours a
day and have been this way since as far back as I can remember. My friends
literally tried to force Cocteau Twins music onto me but I resisted as I had
thought they were another goth-like pseudo punk band that I couldn't bare to
listen to. You see, I'd pretty much gotten sick of taking downers and
listening to Joy Division all day so after hearing Garlands, I decided that
it was necessary to avoid this band at all costs. Several weeks ago I
noticed that I started to feel a bit ill from all the pleasantries that only
love could inflict on an individual so I decided to treat myself with a
healthy dose of "goth-like pseudo punk band music that I wouldn't normally
be able to listen to" music and bought Treasure because it had the nicest
cover. "Lorelei" was so beautiful, I nearly died. Anyway, to make a long
story a little shorter, I immediately went out and bought every Twins album
only to be shocked over and over again by the music that I was hearing. I
regretted not listening to my friends earlier on although I must admit that
it WAS nice not having to wait for "the next album". I had them all (except
Blue Bell Knoll which I got today) in my hands so it basically took me 4
seconds to jump from Heaven or Las Vegas to Four Calendar Cafe instead of
the three years that I assume most of you had to wait. This is going on a
bit isn't it? Alright then, on to what I came here to say.
I was watching the compilation video and I wanted to say that Robin Guthrie
was the most adorable fat bastard I've seen since Robert Smith. Looking at
him made me so nostalgic. With the 80's hairdo, the big belly and the
left-leaning stage-stance he looked so much like a blonde Robert Smith,
circa... er, I don't know, '90? I can't recall if he (Robin) was wearing
large shoes though.
Liz is so cute in a boyish sort of way. Her fragile demeanor almost made me
want to run up on stage and protect her from, er, people like me I guess...
I don't know. Anyway, I quickly realized that I was being silly since I
would've just smashed my nose against the screen. It was nice to watch her
become more and more confident (at least in the music videos). It made her
look prettier although I DID start to miss the darker music. Oh well. We
all can't remain young and disillusioned forever can we?
The live performances were good. I was wondering how they'd sound live and
I must admit that I was impressed. I don't know how Liz speaks in her
double-talk like that. The Cocteau Twins don't really have proper vocals do
they? It's really just an instrumental soundscape isn't it? Er, well
assuming Twinlights was an accident.
I guess that's it. Now back to your regularly scheduled program. If anyone
would like to be helpful and e-mail me about whether or not Robin is/was a
big Cure fan, I'd greatly appreciate it. Was his early look by design or
just an 80's induced condition? I'm not on this mailing list so please
e-mail me at:
sesor@earthlink.net
P.S. I've heard Liz's singing on Craig Armstrong's new album (again, thanks
to Stratton) and I think it's wonderful, very beautiful. So, if you're
reading this Liz (or anyone that could forward a message but probably
won't), my compliments. Vocalists like you confuse me as to whether a good
singer is produced by nature or nurture.
P.P.S. I say resurrect the Cocteau Twins by bringing in Siouxie Sue. She
couldn't be enjoying France THAT much could she?
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:24:21 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Subject: new news/oldnews?/just a rumor?
so is our dear goddess liz about to burst forth with a new life? suppose it
has anything to do with the breakup? speaking of bursting forth with new
life.....how's mender????
~melanie
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:25:39 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: new news/oldnews?/just a rumor?
Fairieglo wrote:
> so is our dear goddess liz about to burst forth with a new life? suppose it
> has anything to do with the breakup? speaking of bursting forth with new
> life.....how's mender????
>
> ~melanie
from what I read on Pandoras Box, she is with child (Liz that iz)
... how is mmmmmender? She must be getting ready to pop.
Is there anybody out there?
~MaRk~
ps. I got 4AD Forgotten Tracks yesterday! this will be a whole new listening
experience
as the only eps I've got are Sunburst and Snowblind, Tiny Dynamine, Echoes in a
Shallow Bay and the stuff from the Pink Opaque. I'll eventually catch up with the
rest of you if I'm lucky.
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:58:06 -0800
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From: John McGinnis
Subject: Re: new news/oldnews?/just a rumor?
Who is Liz having another child with??
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mondacello [SMTP:mondacello@bond.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 2:26 PM
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: new news/oldnews?/just a rumor?
>
> Fairieglo wrote:
>
> > so is our dear goddess liz about to burst forth with a new life?
> suppose it
> > has anything to do with the breakup? speaking of bursting forth
> with new
> > life.....how's mender????
> >
> > ~melanie
>
> from what I read on Pandoras Box, she is with child (Liz that iz)
> ... how is mmmmmender? She must be getting ready to pop.
>
> Is there anybody out there?
> ~MaRk~
> ps. I got 4AD Forgotten Tracks yesterday! this will be a whole new
> listening
> experience
> as the only eps I've got are Sunburst and Snowblind, Tiny Dynamine,
> Echoes in a
> Shallow Bay and the stuff from the Pink Opaque. I'll eventually catch
> up with the
> rest of you if I'm lucky.
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:07:39 -0500
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From: mmmmmmm
Subject: Re: new news/oldnews?/just a rumor?
>> from what I read on Pandoras Box, she is with child (Liz that iz)
>> ... how is mmmmmender? She must be getting ready to pop.
thanks for asking!!! i'm still with child....my due date keeps changing
(quelle drag) i'm due next wednesday!!!
-mmmmommy mmmender
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:18:00 -0500
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From: Steve Coppolo
Organization: Colgate University
Subject: Re: COCTEAU-L Digest - 2 Mar 1998 to 4 Mar 1998
> >> from what I read on Pandoras Box, she is with child (Liz that iz)
> >> ... how is mmmmmender? She must be getting ready to pop.
>
> thanks for asking!!! i'm still with child....my due date keeps changing
> (quelle drag) i'm due next wednesday!!!
Well, good luck! Soon the world will have another future CT fan! By the way,
I just recently (yes, I'm behind the times) picked up Simon's solo album, and I must
say it is well worth the money I spent for it. It definately sounds different than
the twins, but Its definately something I would listen to even without the obvious
connection to one of my favorite bands. "It's a family thing" is my favorite right
now, it's just such a strong opening track where Simon pulls out all the stops. I
really like your lyrics to Muscle and Want, Lisa... you've established yourself in
Cocteau Twins history for the rest of time (sorry if that's a little overdramatic)!
Also awesome is the song where Simon and Liz do a duet (??? sorry don't have the CD
next to me), that was a real trip.
Finally, LIZ IS HAVING ANOTHER BABY???! Whoah, I wonder with whom, though
perhaps Liz doens't want anyone invading her privacy. Also, this might explain why
she didn't want to work on the "new" CT album any more (you'll remember that Robin &
Simon seem to be getting along just fine).
Comments...?
l8r,
-Steve
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"Charlotte sometimes dreams a wall around herself..." -The Cure
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:43:08 EST
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From: Eavesdrops
Subject: just wondering...
i just got a new cd, the autumns - 'suicide at strell park'. it only has 4
songs
on it but they are all very pretty. the singers voice is a bit annoying on 1
song,
but the music on all the songs is nice and colorful, soundscapish, whatever
you
might call it. i dont know anything about this band and i havent heard any of
their
other musics. just wondering if anyone else has.
erin
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:30:13 -0500
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From: Candace Roberts
Subject: items available
Well, most of my Cocteau Twins Cds have been sold, but I have just a
couple of things left if anyone is interested:
Brand new copies (still sealed):
Twinlights 15
Otherness 15
Volume 15 18
Moon And The Melodies 22
Let me know if anyone is interested.
Thanks
Gordon
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:34:21 -0500
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From: Candace Roberts
Subject: Re: Cocteau CDs for sale and brand new
Wilson Lau wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm interested in your album of Heaven or Las Vegas, can you tell
> me the price and how can I get it? Is it a brand new one? I live in
> Toronto, Canada.
> BY
> Wilson
>
Thanks
Gordon
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:58:39 EST
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From: Raxalah
Subject: Re: items available
In a message dated 98-03-06 19:42:37 EST, you write:
<< Volume 15 18 >>
i would be interested in that Gordon. it's the one with "Touch Upon Touch"
right? they do not have that Volume at my local Towerm, the only place i have
ever seen them....
email me your address and i will mail you a check! note that i will be out of
town during the week, so if i don;t hear from you by Monday i will have to
wait a week...
thanks.
PJ
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:18:00 -0700
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From: Jeff Howard
Subject: CT tribute project?
(is this thing on?)
just wondering: 1) is this list obsolete? 2) what has become of
the idea for a listies' cd of our own cocteau cover versions?
3) am i takling to myself?
jeff
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:34:44 -0800
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From: Mark Turrell
Subject: Tribute CD
I'm up for it, but I don't seem to be getting many messages either.
Be Seeing You
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark Turrell
Mturrell@adpac.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:25:49 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: Tribute CD
Hey, there is life out there! I've also been wondering if everyone had
packed it in... nice to know I'm not alone. I read on the Elvis Costello
Discussion list that the new CMJ (April issue) was released today... it
has the Liz / Massive Attack collaboration on it. I'm picking it up
tomorrow if it's made it all the way up here to Canada... woohooo!
~MaRk~
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:32:25 EST
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From: Bagwench
Subject: Re: Tribute CD
what is this pertaining to?
what are we up for?
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:40:08 EST
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From: DennisMyth
Subject: Re: CT tribute project?
Huh? What? Is today Friday?
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:45:39 UT
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From: Antonio Larrinaga
Subject: Re: CT tribute project?
I'm all for it!
Could you send details, please!
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From: Cocteau Twins Discussion List on behalf of Jeff Howard
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 5:18 PM
To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
Subject: CT tribute project?
(is this thing on?)
just wondering: 1) is this list obsolete? 2) what has become of
the idea for a listies' cd of our own cocteau cover versions?
3) am i takling to myself?
jeff
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:07:22 -0700
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From: Jeff Howard
Subject: Re: CT tribute project?
Actually, today is next Monday. Hope that helps!
jeff
>Huh? What? Is today Friday?
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:42:21 EST
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From: Yummycats
Subject: Re: CT tribute project?
In a message dated 98-03-10 19:21:58 EST, you write:
<< 2) what has become of
the idea for a listies' cd of our own cocteau cover versions? >>
I don't remember this...however, it does sound interesting. I play a mean
"Throughout the Dark Months of April and May" on piano.
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:54:44 -0800
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From: Amy Conger
Subject: CT tribute
I'm in.
>---[{(+)}]---<
| a m y |
>---[{(+)}]---<
amy conger - san francisco, ca usa - aeconger@igc.apc.org
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:24:02 -0800
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From: "WILLIAM F. ABEL"
Subject: Re: CT tribute
Amy Conger wrote:
>
> I'm in.
>
> >---[{(+)}]---<
> | a m y |
> >---[{(+)}]---<
>
> amy conger - san francisco, ca usa - aeconger@igc.apc.org
Ditto!!
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:22:26 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: CMJ
ooops, I made a mistake. It's not the Massive Attack / Liz song. It's
'This Love', Craig Armstrong with Liz on vocals.
sorry ~MaRk~
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:21:37 -0600
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From: penumbra
Subject: Re: Tribute CD
Now this is something to get excited about. I'll sit on the sidelines and cheer
for the home team. And line up for the souvenirs(CD, that is, had ta look that
one up!)........mac
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:37 -0000
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From: Ivan Claudett
Subject: Gigs and Latest Album
Dear all,
Does anyone know the dates for the next UK tour and the release date for
the next album.
If so, I would be very grateful if you could forward me some info.
Thank you in anticipation.
Ivan
iclaudett@anglo-europe.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:36:32 +0000
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From: Hollie Flores
Subject: Re: Tribute CD
Yeah, where are all my designer friends??
HoLLiE
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> From: Mark Turrell
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Tribute CD
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:34:44 -0800
>
>I'm up for it, but I don't seem to be getting many messages either.
>
>Be Seeing You
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Mark Turrell
>Mturrell@adpac.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:51:23 +0000
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From: Ian Brown
Organization: Quantel Ltd.
Subject: Re: Gigs and Latest Album
Ivan,
Sit down with a stiff drink...
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I suspect the answers to your
questions are "never" and "never".
Sorry.
Ian.
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:48:35 +0000
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From: Hollie Flores
Subject: Re: Gigs and Latest Album
The Cocteau Twins broke up during the making of the new album as far as I
know and aren't going to finish it. Because of the breakup, they aren't
planning on touring either...... Does anyone else have an update on the
situation??
HoLLiE
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> From: Ivan Claudett
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Gigs and Latest Album
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:37 -0000
>
>Dear all,
>
>Does anyone know the dates for the next UK tour and the release date for
>the next album.
>If so, I would be very grateful if you could forward me some info.
>
>Thank you in anticipation.
>
>Ivan
>
>iclaudett@anglo-europe.com
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:57:47 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: Gigs and Latest Album
ummmmmm... I hate to be the one to break this to you, but as it stands now,
the Twins are no more. The album has been put on the shelf and they've gone
their separate ways...
sorry
~MaRk~
Ivan Claudett wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Does anyone know the dates for the next UK tour and the release date for
> the next album.
> If so, I would be very grateful if you could forward me some info.
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Ivan
>
> iclaudett@anglo-europe.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:51:43 -0800
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From: John McGinnis
Subject: Re: Gigs and Latest Album
Ivan....we have something to tell you...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Claudett [SMTP:iclaudett@ANGLO-EUROPE.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 7:26 AM
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Gigs and Latest Album
>
> Dear all,
>
> Does anyone know the dates for the next UK tour and the release date
> for
> the next album.
> If so, I would be very grateful if you could forward me some info.
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Ivan
>
> iclaudett@anglo-europe.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:47:30 -0500
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From: Charles Bukowski
Subject: greetings
glad to see this list with some traffic albeitslow.....lets talk it up
peepz
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:36:24 -0600
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From: Stratton Davis
Subject: CT list status + tribute cd idea
Hello fellow listies,
As many of you know we've been having some minor technical difficulties
with the list. The average post only makes it to about half of the list.
Over the past couple of days, however, we've had no problems...all posts
have made it through. I don't think this is necessarily an indication that
the problem is resolved...but you never know. Anyway, we're in the process
of finding a new server to host the list. We've got some ideas but if
anyone else has any please feel free to contact me regarding this. So in
the meantime everyone just hang tight because we'll be back to normal
before too long. We've had quite a few new subscribers over the last
month(oddly enough!) and our total number is up to 330 now. Welcome
everyone!
We've talked about a tribute cd in theory over the last couple of months.
I think this is a fantastic idea. Now seems like a rather appropriate time
considering the recent uncertainty of the band's future. To my knowledge
there are two CT covers in existence(aside from Faye Wong's
work)...'Aikea-Guinea' by The Divine Mingle Mangle and 'Mizake the Mizan'
by Lyvia(which appeared on Thurtene, the Dewdrops 4AD tribute). There may
be more so if anyone knows of any then please let me know. I have been in
contact with an Austin-based band called Numeralia who are very eager to
participate in this project too. I have some demos of their work and I'm
sure they will come up with something very nice indeed. The lead singer
has a great voice.
Of course, there is the issue of copyright to consider. Before anything
happens with this project I'd like to make sure Robin and Simon don't mind.
Judging from past experience I imagine they won't have a problem with
it...but you never know. So I'll make it a point to check in on that front
here soon. I'm also going to contact Brant Nelson at Dewdrops...if there
was ever an appropriate label to release something like this...well, they
are it. I'm not suggesting that this thing *will* be released but it's
always good to keep all options open.
And on a purely Liz note: Is anyone else as enraptured with 'This Love' as
I am? I am so psyched about the release of Massive Attack's
'Mezzanine'...almost like it was a new CT album...but not quite.
Big applause to mmmender for her stunning video project with Mr. Raymonde.
I got the video two days ago...I'm thoroughly impressed!
Cheers to all,
Stratton
___________________
stratton@ballistic.com
what's in my cd player these days?
'the space between us'....craig armstrong
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:29:35 -0000
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From: Dennis Castello
Subject: Re: Tribute CD
>Yeah, where are all my designer friends??
>
>HoLLiE
I'm still here, for one! I was just busy yesterday.
-- Dennis
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:24:07 EST
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From: Christo344
Subject: Re: COCTEAU-L Digest - 9 Mar 1998 to 10 Mar 1998
Can anyone tell me how to get a copy of the Stratton Davis videos? I making
plans to order a copy but then my computer went down before I could retrieve
the address and instructions. Any and all help is appreciated.
Thank you,
Christo344@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:52:11 +0000
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From: Hollie Flores
Subject: Re: Tribute CD
Seems like no one's been writing at all lately......at least I haven't been
getting them!
hF
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> From: Dennis Castello
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: Tribute CD
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:29:35 -0000
>
>>Yeah, where are all my designer friends??
>>
>>HoLLiE
>
>I'm still here, for one! I was just busy yesterday.
>
>-- Dennis
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:11:03 -0800
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From: Amy Conger
Subject: CT Video Comp Cover
Just so y'all know, I'm working on a sufficiently lush cover for the
recently circulated CT video compilation.
Anyone who wants to throw their 2=A2 towards me, please do..
>---[{(+)}]---<
| a m y |
>---[{(+)}]---<
amy conger - san francisco, ca usa - aeconger@igc.apc.org
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:08:50 -0800
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From: Joseph Schlottman
Subject: Re: CT tribute
My friend and Dylan have a band called Oozezoo, and Cocteau Twins are one
of our influences. We'd be happy to do a cover version of a CT song for
the tribute project.
Joseph Anthony Schlottman
On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, Amy Conger wrote:
> I'm in.
>
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> amy conger - san francisco, ca usa - aeconger@igc.apc.org
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:16:56 -0800
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From: Joseph Schlottman
Subject: Schizo Liz?
Whilst mingling with people at a party where everyone was taking Ecstasy
last weekend, a friend of mine put on "Four Calendar Cafe," knowing how
much I love the Twins. "This is really great come-down music," he said.
I had never realized before what a great album FCC is. I heard the most
astounding layers. It was unbelievably powerful and uplifting to see the
looks on everyone's faces and the way everyone was bowled over by the
bizarre beauty of the music. I thought, "This is MY moment. They're
listening to MY music." It was turned way up, really high volume, which
is how I love to listen to the Twins, because otherwise it's too easy for
them to fade into the background - when it's turned up that loud it's
impossible to ignore.
But the main thing I was wondering about . . . my friend said he
knows a guy who read a BOOK about the Cocteau Twins, and according to
this BOOK (which I've never heard of), the name "Cocteau Twins" refers to
Liz Fraser herself - i.e., she's schizophrenic; and "Four-Calendar Cafe"
is the album where she brought the two "twins" together.
Huh? I've never heard anything like this before. Anyone else?
Or is this just one of the mysteries that's grown up around this band in
the absence of any concrete personal facts about them? I think it's a
most interesting reading of the band's name, but it doesn't agree with
what the band itself has said about the name that I've read - Robin said
it came from the name of an unrecorded Simple Minds track. Which sounds
a little mysterious too, come to think of it . . .
Thoughts, facts, anyone?
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:10:26 +0200
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From: "The Spanglemaker..."
Subject: no subject
This would turn up to be the lonliest and the saddest mailing list
in
the CyberSpace....
b4n
--------------------------X Y M O X_______________________________
me?-I disconnect from you...
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:34:48 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: CT Video Comp Cover
Amy Conger wrote:
> Just so y'all know, I'm working on a sufficiently lush cover for the
> recently circulated CT video compilation.
>
> Anyone who wants to throw their 2=A2 towards me, please do..
>
sounds great Amy .... keep me posted, I'd love to see it
~MaRk~
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:01:37 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: no subject
I've got to admit it's getting better
A little better, all the time (it can't get no worse)
~MaRk~
(the alarm rang for days, you can tell by conversations)
The Spanglemaker... wrote:
> This would turn up to be the lonliest and the saddest mailing list
> in
> the CyberSpace....
> b4n
> --------------------------X Y M O X_______________________________
> me?-I disconnect from you...
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:05:00 EST
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From: DRESDENBLU
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
I don't know whether or not it's true, but it sure is an interesting take.....
FCC would be the album where she brought the two together, if it's true.
Always fun to speculate even if it's pure haberdashery!! - Dresdenblu
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:50:42 +0000
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From: Hollie Flores
Subject: Re: CT list status + tribute cd idea
How can I get the video done by mmmender and Raymonde?
Just so you know, also, myself and a couple of other CT list people are
interested in designing the CD, CD cover, CD insert for the tribute if it
happens. I'm a graphic designer and so is one of the others. One is a
painter. We can't contribute musically, but we sure can create a striking
ensemble to accompany it!
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> From: Stratton Davis
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: CT list status + tribute cd idea
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:36:24 -0600
>
>Hello fellow listies,
>
>As many of you know we've been having some minor technical difficulties
>with the list. The average post only makes it to about half of the list.
>Over the past couple of days, however, we've had no problems...all posts
>have made it through. I don't think this is necessarily an indication that
>the problem is resolved...but you never know. Anyway, we're in the process
>of finding a new server to host the list. We've got some ideas but if
>anyone else has any please feel free to contact me regarding this. So in
>the meantime everyone just hang tight because we'll be back to normal
>before too long. We've had quite a few new subscribers over the last
>month(oddly enough!) and our total number is up to 330 now. Welcome
>everyone!
>
>We've talked about a tribute cd in theory over the last couple of months.
>I think this is a fantastic idea. Now seems like a rather appropriate time
>considering the recent uncertainty of the band's future. To my knowledge
>there are two CT covers in existence(aside from Faye Wong's
>work)...'Aikea-Guinea' by The Divine Mingle Mangle and 'Mizake the Mizan'
>by Lyvia(which appeared on Thurtene, the Dewdrops 4AD tribute). There may
>be more so if anyone knows of any then please let me know. I have been in
>contact with an Austin-based band called Numeralia who are very eager to
>participate in this project too. I have some demos of their work and I'm
>sure they will come up with something very nice indeed. The lead singer
>has a great voice.
>
>Of course, there is the issue of copyright to consider. Before anything
>happens with this project I'd like to make sure Robin and Simon don't mind.
> Judging from past experience I imagine they won't have a problem with
>it...but you never know. So I'll make it a point to check in on that front
>here soon. I'm also going to contact Brant Nelson at Dewdrops...if there
>was ever an appropriate label to release something like this...well, they
>are it. I'm not suggesting that this thing *will* be released but it's
>always good to keep all options open.
>
>And on a purely Liz note: Is anyone else as enraptured with 'This Love' as
>I am? I am so psyched about the release of Massive Attack's
>'Mezzanine'...almost like it was a new CT album...but not quite.
>
>Big applause to mmmender for her stunning video project with Mr. Raymonde.
>I got the video two days ago...I'm thoroughly impressed!
>
>Cheers to all,
>
>Stratton
>___________________
>stratton@ballistic.com
>
>what's in my cd player these days?
>
>'the space between us'....craig armstrong
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:16:51 +0000
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From: Hollie Flores
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
I've heard several times that the name really means nothing other than their
admiration for the song and the need for a cool,
abstract name. I think we should stay out of Liz's personal life. And what
qualities would FCC have that "brought the twins together." I think she's an
out of this world singer and don't even want to discuss her mental state.
Whatever it is, it's better
than most other people's......especially people who have to take drugs to
have fun or "Get High" or "Up". Sorry, but you sounded pretty immature in
your email....
hF
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> From: Joseph Schlottman
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Schizo Liz?
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:16:56 -0800
>
>Whilst mingling with people at a party where everyone was taking Ecstasy
>last weekend, a friend of mine put on "Four Calendar Cafe," knowing how
>much I love the Twins. "This is really great come-down music," he said.
>I had never realized before what a great album FCC is. I heard the most
>astounding layers. It was unbelievably powerful and uplifting to see the
>looks on everyone's faces and the way everyone was bowled over by the
>bizarre beauty of the music. I thought, "This is MY moment. They're
>listening to MY music." It was turned way up, really high volume, which
>is how I love to listen to the Twins, because otherwise it's too easy for
>them to fade into the background - when it's turned up that loud it's
>impossible to ignore.
> But the main thing I was wondering about . . . my friend said he
>knows a guy who read a BOOK about the Cocteau Twins, and according to
>this BOOK (which I've never heard of), the name "Cocteau Twins" refers to
>Liz Fraser herself - i.e., she's schizophrenic; and "Four-Calendar Cafe"
>is the album where she brought the two "twins" together.
> Huh? I've never heard anything like this before. Anyone else?
>Or is this just one of the mysteries that's grown up around this band in
>the absence of any concrete personal facts about them? I think it's a
>most interesting reading of the band's name, but it doesn't agree with
>what the band itself has said about the name that I've read - Robin said
>it came from the name of an unrecorded Simple Minds track. Which sounds
>a little mysterious too, come to think of it . . .
> Thoughts, facts, anyone?
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:06:55 -0500
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From: mondacello
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
thankyou Hollie, well put. Let's leave Lizs' private life just that...
private. She's a beautiful and talented person, and deserves all the
best in life.
~MaRk~
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:10:57 -0500
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From: Paul Spirito
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
There's a book called "The Sex Revolts : Gender, Rebellion, and Rock 'N'
Roll" by Simon Reynolds & Joy Press (published by Harvard University Press.
ISBN: 0674802721) in which Liz & the CT are mentioned. I haven't read it.
Paul
"Her breasts (I mean the breasts in general) never look that ARTISTIC on
screen - the way they move and flow on bed - very organic."
~Michael Gottuso
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:42:46 -0500
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From: Charles Bukowski
Subject: CT Video Comp Cover
whats on the vid?
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:50:52 -0500
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From: Charles Bukowski
Subject: simple minds
actually the name cocteau twins came from a very old simple minds
song....
and its not unrecorded.....but anyhoo....whats with bashing the guy for
asking a question? liz's personal life should indeed remain persona but
i mean lets face reality......if ever there waa a tell all book about
the twins how many people on the list WOULDNT buy it? i gather to say if
you say you wouldnt you are fooling yourself.....
also i totally disagree for taking this guy to task over drugs....no
where in his post did he say he had to be "high" or "up" sorry but you
are the one that sounded immature not the x guy
thanks
and have a pink orange red day
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:18:23 +0000
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From: "Jessica \"T as in Mr. T\" Gluckman"
Subject: Liz...
First of all, I'd just like to say 'hi'...just joined this list last
week... and it looks like I might have picked an interesting time to sign
up.
As far as the subject about Liz and 'personalities'...I think the
partygoer was confused... I have read in several interviews that Liz had
some emotional problems right after recording 'Four-Calendar Cafe' and
ended up getting help and realizing some things about herself. But that's
not schizophrenia... I guess the story gets distorted and some people want
it to sound more lurid and weird...
And finally, a question... I've heard that Liz recorded some vocals for
Future Sounds of London...anyone know what song/album that might've been?
Thanks,
Jessica
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:26:38 +0000
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From: Hollie Flores
Subject: Re: simple minds
I didn't say the song wasn't recorded.....he did. And I mentioned in my
email that that's where they got the name, also.
It's a known fact. I've already received messages from people agreeing with
me about Liz's personal life. I feel that it is
inappropriate to talk about drugs in this list and I've heard others say the
same thing. He DID talk about coming Down and
listening to CT's while doing so.....it's just a given that he felt the need
to use a drug to get "UP" otherwise he wouldn't have
been coming down. The only reason that I can think you'd be defending him is
if you are into drugs, also. I felt he was
talking about being high on Ecstasy as if it were "cool" which I find
immature. Otherwise, he didn't need to mention that
he was on a drug while listening to them.
Also, the way he was digging about the possibility of Liz being schizo felt
negative to me and I feel nothing but positive for
her. Yes, I would buy a book about them.....but only with the hopes of
musical history about the band and how/where it
was started etc. Frankly, the rest bores me and it's none of mine or anyone
else's business.
I'm not on this list to argue or fight.....I just want to love the CT
twins.........so that's that
hF
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> From: Charles Bukowski
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: simple minds
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:50:52 -0500
>
>actually the name cocteau twins came from a very old simple minds
>song....
>and its not unrecorded.....but anyhoo....whats with bashing the guy for
>asking a question? liz's personal life should indeed remain persona but
>i mean lets face reality......if ever there waa a tell all book about
>the twins how many people on the list WOULDNT buy it? i gather to say if
>you say you wouldnt you are fooling yourself.....
>also i totally disagree for taking this guy to task over drugs....no
>where in his post did he say he had to be "high" or "up" sorry but you
>are the one that sounded immature not the x guy
>thanks
>and have a pink orange red day
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:31:22 CST
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From: Michael Cheselka
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
Welp, I've heard the track on the Simple Minds box set.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:30:00 -0800
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From: Billie Bastard
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
Although I too question what the 'bringing the twins together' bit meant, I
don't know why you had to take that cheap shot at him like that. Are you
Liz's personal friend or relative? If not, it looks pretty silly for you to
be so overtly offended. I'd think twice before calling anyone immature if I
were you. Sorry but you sounded pretty bitchy in your e-mail.
I take drugs. I've listened to the Twins under the influence and it made me
dizzy with all that I saw. Literally. The music was so lush, it made me
feel like I was in a protective cocoon. It actually felt warm against my
skin. I don't take drugs because I need them, I take drugs because I like
them. We all have our addictions and destructive behaviour. I'd say that
it's pretty short-sighted of you to cut a man down because you disagree with
his.
In lieu of Billmeister,
Douglas
Yeah!
B
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From: Hollie Flores
To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 1:16 AM
I've heard several times that the name really means nothing other than their
admiration for the song and the need for a cool,
abstract name. I think we should stay out of Liz's personal life. And what
qualities would FCC have that "brought the twins together." I think she's an
out of this world singer and don't even want to discuss her mental state.
Whatever it is, it's better
than most other people's......especially people who have to take drugs to
have fun or "Get High" or "Up". Sorry, but you sounded pretty immature in
your email....
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:43:15 -0800
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From: Billie Bastard
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
Sycophants are sinners.
Me again,
Douglas
sesor@earthlink.net
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From: mondacello
To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 7:06 AM
thankyou Hollie, well put. Let's leave Lizs' private life just that...
private. She's a beautiful and talented person, and deserves all the
best in life.
~MaRk~
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:51:46 -0800
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From: John McGinnis
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz
Everyone knows Liz was depressed during the FCC tour, but I think the
schizo rumor is rubbish
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:55:20 -0500
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From: Charles Bukowski
Subject: fsol
the fsol tracks are on the lifeforms ep.....as well as the double fsol
release (but there is only 1 or 2 on that one)
it is very good listening
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:07:54 EST
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From: Raxalah
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
In a message dated 98-03-12 10:16:16 EST, you write:
<< There's a book called "The Sex Revolts : Gender, Rebellion, and Rock 'N'
Roll" by Simon Reynolds & Joy Press (published by Harvard University Press.
ISBN: 0674802721) in which Liz & the CT are mentioned. I haven't read it. >>
also, a book called "Cult Rockers" -- in which CT are mentioned as a "cult
band". and the Twins also get mentioned in the latest "Post-Punk Diary"
volume. sometime when i am home and have time i will transcribe the three or
so entries that relate to them for you...
Rax.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:09:35 EST
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From: Raxalah
Subject: Re: Liz...
<>
on the EP (not the album) _Lifeforms_ Liz sings. it's really cool, if you
like FSOL...
Rax.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:10:56 EST
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From: Raxalah
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
In a message dated 98-03-12 11:35:41 EST, you write:
<< Welp, I've heard the track on the Simple Minds box set >>
whoa -- wait, the song "Cocteau Twins" is available???? really....i woudl
love to hear it...
Rax.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:13:38 EST
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From: Raxalah
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
In a message dated 98-03-12 12:30:27 EST, you write:
<< I take drugs. I've listened to the Twins under the influence and it made
me
dizzy with all that I saw. Literally. The music was so lush, it made me
feel like I was in a protective cocoon. It actually felt warm against my
skin. I don't take drugs because I need them, I take drugs because I like
them. We all have our addictions and destructive behaviour. I'd say that
it's pretty short-sighted of you to cut a man down because you disagree with
his. >>
i know that i am opening myslef up for a LOT of attack here, but i feel that
it needs to be stated:
everyone who i PERSONALLY know who listens do the Twins has been involved with
some sort of drug. not that all of my firends are druggies, but i just think
that the Twins music is not anti-drug in the "straight edge" sense of the
word.
i myself am clean now, but i still listen to the twins .... and i see the
validity of both viewpoints.
now everyone play nice!
Rax.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:02:24 -0500
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From: Charles Bukowski
Subject: hmmm
i hate to argue on mailing lists but......i must say i am certainly not
"into" drugs. i have taken them and enjoyed the twns...i have not taken
them and enjoyed just as much.....and i think its very appropriate to
mention drugs on the list if people want to....in fact its pretty much a
normal thing on here.....censorship ofthought is a bad thing.....so the
next time you want to put yourself on a pedestal think about it....and
remember you are no better or worse than anyone else on this list or any
body for that matter....cheers
ooze out and away
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:20:06 -0800
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From: Billie Bastard
Subject: Re: simple minds
From: Hollie Flores
To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
Subject: Re: simple minds
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:26 AM
>>>
It's a known fact. I've already received messages from people agreeing with
me about Liz's personal life. I feel that it is
inappropriate to talk about drugs in this list and I've heard others say the
same thing.
<<<
I don't mean to defend the intrusion into celebrities' private affairs but
do I feel the need to speak out against short minded individuals that seem
to take it upon themselves to belittle others just because they might
disagree with the choices that some may make. If this list is to be a
public forum, how can you defend trying to censor another man's words? He
MENTIONED a drug but his post wasn't focused on it. Grow up. Relax. Widen
your perspectives and shrink your prejudices. By the way, there is no
strength in numbers. It only weakens the strength of the individual. Your
telling that others agree with you doesn't lend any credence to your words.
>>>
He DID talk about coming Down and
listening to CT's while doing so.....it's just a given that he felt the need
to use a drug to get "UP" otherwise he wouldn't have
been coming down.
<<<
He did mention "coming down", a term used to refer to an effect of drug use.
So what? It's not a given that he felt the NEED to use a drug in order to
"get 'up'" That's not logic. He simply took a drug, was high, then came
back down. Why does it bother you so much? You speak as if he talked about
murder.
>>>
The only reason that I can think you'd be defending him is
if you are into drugs, also. I felt he was
talking about being high on Ecstasy as if it were "cool" which I find
immature. Otherwise, he didn't need to mention that
he was on a drug while listening to them.
<<<
You do realize that your whole post was based on assumptions and nothing
concrete right? You're brainwashing yourself. I can't believe how you're
trying to impose so much of your personal beliefs onto another. Is that
mature? I always felt that maturity entailed open-mindedness and
understanding, both of which you seem to lack (based upon your two posts).
Also, if you're wondering why I'm defending him, it's not so much that I'm
defending him, I'm speaking out against your words and the stifling
mentality that they represent. There's nothing artistic about
thought-restriction.
>>>
Also, the way he was digging about the possibility of Liz being schizo felt
negative to me and I feel nothing but positive for
her.
<<<
So you had to try to hurt him for how you felt. Don't hate a man for loving
white just because you prefer black.
>>>
Yes, I would buy a book about them.....but only with the hopes of
musical history about the band and how/where it
was started etc. Frankly, the rest bores me and it's none of mine or anyone
else's business.
<<<
I reckon that's not a decision for you to make for anyone other than
yourself. It sounds to me like you're telling people how and what to think.
This sort of mentality is counter-productive and to be perfectly honest, it
frustrates, frightens and angers me. I don't mean to sound like I want
Liz's shortcomings spot-lit because I don't but if it happens, it's all part
of what she is as a public figure. Can you imagine what it was like for
Morrissey when Johnny Rogan finished those two books? It happens.
>>>
I'm not on this list to argue or fight.....I just want to love the CT
twins.........so that's that
<<<
Wait! You forgot to mention that you don't want people thinking what you
don't want them to. I admit that I'm immature. I'm just more open about
it.
Hmm, I just might have to join this list,
Doug
sesor@earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:20:08 -0500
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From: Brian Sandford
Subject: Ummmm ... OK
Sycophants are sinners.
It's hard to drive a point home when you send half the list scrambling for
a dictionary. ... :)
Brian
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:17:54 -0500
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From: Brian Sandford
Subject: Liz, drugs and schizophrenia
I feel that it is inappropriate to talk about drugs in this list and I've
heard others say the same thing. He DID talk about coming Down and
listening to CT's while doing so.....it's just a given that he felt the
need to use a drug to get "UP" otherwise he wouldn't have been coming down.
The only reason that I can think you'd be defending him is if you are into
drugs, also. I felt he was talking about being high on Ecstasy as if it
were "cool" which I find immature. Otherwise, he didn't need to mention
that he was on a drug while listening to them.
The whole drug thing is all a matter of opinion, but one thing's for
certain: people have been listening to great music while high on something
or other for generations, and in nearly all cases it's heightened an
already dreamlike experience. I've got no problem with him mentioning drugs
here, and guess what? I'm not into drugs at all and I don't drink much or
smoke; I guess I'm just a little more open-minded.
Also, the way he was digging about the possibility of Liz being schizo felt
negative to me and I feel nothing but positive for her. Yes, I would buy a
book about them.....but only with the hopes of musical history about the
band and how/where it was started etc. Frankly, the rest bores me and it's
none of mine or anyone else's business.
Agreed. Liz's mental state really doesn't interest me, although I don't
want to censor whoever brought it up in the first place. ...
Brian
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:49:56 -0800
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From: Mark Turrell
Subject: Drugs
Dear All,
Can I just mention, that it's a well documented fact that the Twins
had a prodigious drug intake during the 80's. In particular, Speed. So
there's not much point in spouting a 'holier-than-thou' attitude when
your favorite band was off its collective face for the better part of
a decade. It certainly explains why Robin was so unmoving at concerts,
he was probably too scared to move his feet in case he fell over!
Remember the words of the great one ...
"If you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a
favor. Go home tonight and take all of your albums, tapes, and CDs,
and burn them. Cuz you know what, the musicians who made that great
music..
reeeaaaaal f*&^%$g high on drugs !!" Bill Hicks
Be Seeing You
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark Turrell
Mturrell@adpac.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:21:02 -0800
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From: John McGinnis
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
Indeed, many people who listen to CT, I think, are beneficiaries of
modern psychotropics - I am.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raxalah [SMTP:Raxalah@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 10:14 AM
> To: COCTEAU-L@WEBNT.CKS.COM
> Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
>
> In a message dated 98-03-12 12:30:27 EST, you write:
>
> << I take drugs. I've listened to the Twins under the influence and
> it made
> me
> dizzy with all that I saw. Literally. The music was so lush, it
> made me
> feel like I was in a protective cocoon. It actually felt warm
> against my
> skin. I don't take drugs because I need them, I take drugs because I
> like
> them. We all have our addictions and destructive behaviour. I'd say
> that
> it's pretty short-sighted of you to cut a man down because you
> disagree with
> his. >>
>
> i know that i am opening myslef up for a LOT of attack here, but i
> feel that
> it needs to be stated:
>
> everyone who i PERSONALLY know who listens do the Twins has been
> involved with
> some sort of drug. not that all of my firends are druggies, but i
> just think
> that the Twins music is not anti-drug in the "straight edge" sense of
> the
> word.
>
> i myself am clean now, but i still listen to the twins .... and i see
> the
> validity of both viewpoints.
>
> now everyone play nice!
>
> Rax.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:38:06 -0600
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From: amanda
Glad to finally see some action going on in this list. As for the recent
conversations about drugs and Liz's mental state, i feel Doug and Brian
have just about said it all. I agree with them totally. Also i was
wondering what this video is that everyone keeps talking about?
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:43:54 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Subject: drugs/CT
In a message dated 3/12/98 8:33:52 AM, you wrote:
<< I feel that it is
inappropriate to talk about drugs in this list and I've heard others say the
same thing. He DID talk about coming Down and
listening to CT's while doing so.....it's just a given that he felt the need
to use a drug to get "UP" otherwise he wouldn't have
been coming down. The only reason that I can think you'd be defending him is
if you are into drugs, also. I felt he was
talking about being high on Ecstasy as if it were "cool" which I find
immature. Otherwise, he didn't need to mention that
he was on a drug while listening to them.
Also, the way he was digging about the possibility of Liz being schizo felt
negative to me and I feel nothing but positive for
her. Yes, I would buy a book about them.....but only with the hopes of
musical history about the band and how/where it
was started etc. Frankly, the rest bores me and it's none of mine or anyone
else's business.
I'm not on this list to argue or fight.....I just want to love the CT
twins.........so that's that>>
i don't think the person was "digging" as you so put it, but had heard a bit
of information that sounded questionable and wanted to know if it were true.
as for the drug thing, get over it. you must be sort of new around here
because in the few years that this list has been around, there have been quite
a few posts about the effects of cocteau twins while in an "enhanced" state.
not everyone on here does drugs, not everyone on here who does do them is an
addict or feels they NEED them. i have no problem with drugs in moderation,
for myself or any other person on this list. i have had some very memorable
ecstasy/cocteau experiences, as a matter of fact, had i been sober when i
partied with robin, we may not have become pals. he seemed a bit "drawn" to
the three girls cuddling on the couch, and we were a lot less shy. i won't
go into more detail, but sometimes drugs can be a pleasurable experience, and
for you to object so strongly to any mention of them on the list is in my
opinion, immature and a bit rude. have a beautiful day, please....
~melanie
"I'm going to the Fourth World, it's like Heaven, only better because there
aren't any Christians!"
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:50:39 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz
In a message dated 3/12/98 9:56:44 AM, you wrote:
<>
this is what i have heard in articles and interviews.....she had a "nervous
breakdown" spent some time "relaxing" in a clinic in the states...and then
continued to see a therapist. the only difference between her and the rest
of the world who gets depressed from time to time is that she can afford to
"relax" in a clinic.....
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:56:29 EST
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From: Fairieglo
Subject: Re: Liz, drugs and schizophrenia
In a message dated 3/12/98 10:32:53 AM, sandford@atlantic.net wrote:
<>
you do also realize that is has been stated OPENLY that a good portion of the
twins music was created with heavy influence of mind altering substances?
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:39:47 EST
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From: Eavesdrops
Subject: Re: simple minds
does it matter how one enjoys the music of the cocteau twins.
arent we all fans in our own way.
cant we be.
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:54:05 -0000
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From: Nick Scott
Subject: Re: Simple minds track & FSOL
In reply to the query by Joseph Schlottman as to whether or not it is =
true that the Cocteau Twins got there name from a Simple Minds track I =
can assure you it is true. There is a bootleg tape of the Simple Minds =
demos before they got a record deal from 1978/1979 it features a track =
called `Cocteau Twins` on it. Here in England a few years back there =
was a radio documentary on the history of Simple Minds and they actually =
played some of the track 'Cocteau Twins`. Although the music stayed the =
same they changed both the lyrics and the title of the track to be =
called 'No Cure' when they finally released their debut album `Life in A =
Day' in 1979.
Also in reply to Jessica, Liz Fraser did sing on a Future Sound of =
London album, the album is called `Lifeforms`and it is brilliant!
By the way I also think it is uncool to mention about taking drugs on =
this list server, if you are stupid enough to take ecstacy there was no =
need to mention about it to others. It was irrelevant to your query.
Anyway, I hope this reply has been some use, I am now off to enjoy =
listening to Dead Can Dance.
~Nick=20
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:56:29 EST
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From: Ellaburls
Subject: Re: drugs/CT
i feel i need to add my two cents worth...this whole thing about drugs is
really idiotic...ok this is just a mailing list and you know its open for
comments and opinions but please dont put someone down for saying what they
believe in or think... no one needs a lecture on right and wrong...these
people have a concious and if they enjoy doing whatever then let them...its
not hurting you in any way....please as if it could via email....get a life
and learn to be open minded and respect other peoples thoughts.....its all
about the music
"...i fall too fast...i fall too hard..."
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:25:15 -0600
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From: Dave Brett Wasser
Subject: So he used Ecstasy? Big deal!
Come on, Hollie. Your comment about Joseph being immature shows how immature
YOU are because you can't handle other people's lifestyles. He wasn't
promoting Ecstasty or encouraging anyone to use it. He was simply saying
"this is what I did." I, for one, found his comments valuable and
insightful.
If you really think that merely saying "this is what I did" encourages
people on the list to imitate him, then you have a very dim view of the
judgment of the people on this list. We're not robots, you know. I don't use
drugs any more because they aren't much interest to me. Yet I'm still
curious to hear about other people's experiences with them. So, if anyone
else has any interesting stories about cocteau twin/drug experiences, please
pass them along!
By the way, Hollie, Robin himself said in interviews that he was on drugs
when he wrote half of the music for Four Calendar Cafe.
dave
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:02:55 -0600
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From: amanda
Subject: drugs
Ok i am not sure why everyone is making a big deal out of this whole thing,
some guy just said he had an experience with some really good music that
involved extasy in some way, I can see his point, i have done the same
thing, but i don't see why it is being dwelled on. I am totally against
censorship in any way so let the guy say his piece. By the way if the
censors had thier way in this world some of the CT albums might be taking
hits from censors too. So any of you try to put limits on what is talked
about here, just remember that freedom of speech is freedom of speech. If
we start to condone any form of censorship it just makes the way for the
next form that much easier.
amanda
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:48:45 -0700
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From: Jeff Howard
Subject: Re: CT Video Comp Cover
when will we get a chance to see it?
jeff (also in sf)
>Just so y'all know, I'm working on a sufficiently lush cover for the
>recently circulated CT video compilation.
>
>Anyone who wants to throw their 2=A2 towards me, please do..
>
>
>
>
> >---[{(+)}]---<
> | a m y |
> >---[{(+)}]---<
>
> amy conger - san francisco, ca usa - aeconger@igc.apc.org
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:23:30 -0800
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From: John & Kelley Neff
Organization: Sacramento Drafting Services
Subject: to drug or not to drug
Hello! Glad to see that the list is working! But now I have 41 pieces
of mail from people yelling at each other! Yikes. Oh well... (btw
count me in the "never done 'em, never will! category! Life is crazy
enough, and "high" to me is moments of absolute intimacy, be it my soul
sinking into a CT song, or moments when we connect so completely with
one another, that we feel we are one. Nothing finer!) I was hoping to
find some of you that felt the same, but it always seems we are at odds
with each other!
Anyway, the brief obscure references to Mr. Numan really make me smile!
Talk about being robots :)!
peace and love and all that stuff - joey
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:23:26 -0500
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From: Greg
Subject: Cocteau Twins collection for sale--Part 1
This auction list originally ran during the period when the CT list must
have been down. To enable all listies an opportunity to bid, I'm am running
this first auction list for a second and final time. To those that did get
this email previously when the list was erratic, I will of course hold onto
your bids until the end of this auction.
I am putting the following items up for auction. This is the first part of
a series of Cocteau Twins auctions I will be conducting. Basically, I keep
digging and finding more, and more, and more...!!! This auction ends March
15, 1998 at 10PM Eastern Standard Time. No minimum bids, however I do
reserve the right to decline any final bid. Highest bidder will be
notified. All items are in mint condition unless noted otherwise.
Email me privately with your bids at brickall@mindspring.com
Good luck!!
The Pink Opaque cassette on 4AD/Relativity
The Pink Opaque promo poster 4AD/Relativity 18"w x 24"h, cover art
The Pink Opaque test pressing on 4AD/Relativity, plain white jacket,
Hauppauge Record Manufacturing, LTD.
The Spangle Maker EP CD on 4 AD/Capitol C2-15773
Evangeline EP CD on Fontana UK import CTCD 1 862717-2
Evangeline promo EP CD on Capitol DPRO 79259
Snow EP CD on Fontana UK import COCCD 1 858 168-2
Bluebeard promo CD single Capitol DPRO 79330
Bluebeard EP CD on Fontana UK import CTCD 2 858 363-2
Summerhead promo CD single Capitol DPRO 79300
Tishbite promo CD single Capitol DPRO 11204
Milk and Kisses digipak version on Fontana UK import 532 363-2
Milk and Kisses promo poster Capitol 11"w x 15"h translucent paper, cover art
Heaven or Las Vegas promo EP CD 4AD/Capitol DPRO 79291A
Postcard promoting 4AD/Capitol back catalog, trifold, 8 1/2"w x 11"h unfolded
23 Envelope Posters from 1986, 15 posters, 12"w x 16"h, Cat. #WAD 23,
UK import, Cocteau Twins, Colourbox, Modern English, Richenel,
This Mortal Coil, Voix Bulgares, Xmal Deutschland, Xymox
Peppermint Pig b/w Laugh Lines 7" w/ pic sleeve, UK import, AD 303
I Wear Your Ring 12" promo single on 4AD/Capitol SPRO-79564
A Kissed Out Red Floatboat 12" promo single on 4AD/Capitol SPRO-79512
Twinlights promo cassette EP 4PRO-10220
The Moon and the Melodies CD on 4AD/Relativity
All Virgos Are Mad video VHS on 4AD, limited edition of 1,000 to tie in with
the All Virgos Are Mad event Sept 27-Oct 2, 1994 in Los Angeles,
12 band's videos including Dead Can Dance and This Mortal
Coil...no Cocteau Twins
Four Calendar Cafe puzzle
Sampler 12" LP promo on 4AD/Capitol, 10 tracks, includes High
Monkey Monk and Dials, SPRO-79066/79067
That's it for now. More to come! Thanks!! Greg
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:52:25 -0800
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From: KE Votaw
Subject: Re: COCTEAU-L Digest - 10 Mar 1998 to 11 Mar 1998
mmm..someone mentioned peeps (easter candy food sugar high stuff)...
i nominate *Orange* to do a CT cover--wouldn't that be wonderful?
kirsten
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:35:17 -0800
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From: Joseph Schlottman
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Hollie Flores wrote:
> I've heard several times that the name really means nothing other than their
> admiration for the song and the need for a cool,
> abstract name. I think we should stay out of Liz's personal life. And what
> qualities would FCC have that "brought the twins together." I think she's an
> out of this world singer and don't even want to discuss her mental state.
> Whatever it is, it's better
> than most other people's......especially people who have to take drugs to
> have fun or "Get High" or "Up". Sorry, but you sounded pretty immature in
> your email....
>
> hF
And I'm sorry that you feel the need to make personal judgments and draw
conclusions about my mental state based on what I wrote. I certainly
never said that I HAVE to take drugs to get high - it's just one way
among many. It sounds to me like you're trying to apply some kind of
warped morality (i.e., drugs are bad) to me, which seems, not immature,
but presumptuous of you. I don't look down on people who don't take
drugs - why should you look down on me? Robin Guthrie was in treatment
for cocaine addiction, and has been honest about that - would you look
disdainfully at him because drugs may have been one source of inspiration
for the music the Cocteau Twins created?
For me "immature" is a negative way of looking at the quality of being
eternally young at heart - which is a feeling I get from CT's music and
wholeheartedly embrace.
psychedelically yours,
Joseph Anthony
who is currently very "high" and "up" not on drugs, but on the paintings
he's making from Cocteau Twins songs.
Working on the last of the five! (For those of you who remember - I'm the
one painting interpretations of CT songs for credit this quarter)
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:37:44 -0800
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From: Joseph Schlottman
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz?
Comments: To: mondacello
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, mondacello wrote:
> thankyou Hollie, well put. Let's leave Lizs' private life just that...
> private. She's a beautiful and talented person, and deserves all the
> best in life.
>
> ~MaRk~
Umm . . . I wasn't saying anything negative about Liz. I was asking a
question about something I heard. The reaction of these two emails seems
almost paranoid to me. I love Elizabether Fraser as much as anyone on
this list. Why so defensive? If she really managed to use her music as
her therapy and "heal" herself through the creative process, I say that
makes her achievement all the more extraordinary, and moving, not less.
JosephAnt'ny
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:15:26 -0800
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From: Amy Conger
Subject: Re: CT list status + tribute cd idea
Hollie wrote:
> I'm a graphic designer and so is one of the others.
And you're not the only ones!
>---[{(+)}]---<
| a m y |
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:45:10 -0800
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From: Joseph Schlottman
Subject: Re: simple minds
Dear Hollie Flores,
I just read your second message and feel even more irked than before.
Please listen and absorb these words: You have no right to judge or
denigrate me the way you have in your two prejudiced, paranoid emails.
"Coming down" is simply a figure of speech for the end of a "trip" on
ecstasy or a psychedelic substance. It's not my way of saying that being
sober sucks. Furthermore, you don't have the right to censor what I or
anybody else is talking about on this list (or in general). If I was
making personal attacks or flaming you, then maybe so, but that's not the
case.
Please don't be so quick to judge
And don't try to move me, cuz I won't budge
Joseph Anthony Schlottman
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:47:45 -0800
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From: Joseph Schlottman
Subject: Re: Schizo Liz
On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, John McGinnis wrote:
> Everyone knows Liz was depressed during the FCC tour, but I think the
> schizo rumor is rubbish
I suspect so also. I just wanted to see if anyone on this list could
corroborate it before I crumpled it up & tossed it in the rubbish-can.
It just seems weird that someone would claim to have read a book about
Cocteau Twins (I don't think there is one, is there?) But I guess that's
what happens when imaginations run rampant. IT's kind of the same with
the lyrics - the way you can make them mean anything you want.
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