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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:11:55 -0800
From: Amy Conger
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Other otherness
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I just love the way Cocteau Twins' fans are so passionate and literate!
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My two cents about the current debate:
Michael S. Fischer wrote:
> Pure Cocteau Twins, IMHO, are Ms. Fraser, Mr. Guthrie, and Mr.
> Raymonde, with vocals, guitar, bass, and drum machine (although real
> percussion would be a nice addition). Production by Cocteau Twins.
> Mixing by Cocteau Twins.
And Mr. Heggie? Is his bass work 'impure' Cocteau Twins? Gawd, I mean,
'Wax & Wane' would not be the classically-early-cocteau masterpiece it is
without Will Heggie's work.
Pure seems to mean something different to you than to me. You seem to
be saying that 1983-1986 were your favorite years for Cocteau releases.
I think perhaps the bandmembers are _now_ doing what they consider to
be more pure, i.e., true to themselves as musicians and people. We have
all read the interviews in which Robin berates his older work but feels
positive about the experimentation of the present, right?
Aren't we all happy that they are still releasing music?
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Anybody in Portland, Oregon catch 'Big Mess' on KPSU last Sunday night?
All Cocteau Twins hour! Yee haw!
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Amy Conger
Kuenstlerhaus
San Francisco, CA USA
aeconger@igc.apc.org
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:07:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael S. Fischer"
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Other otherness
Reply-to: mfischer@nsi.edu
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>I just love the way Cocteau Twins' fans are so passionate and literate!
i.e. the way most Netizens are expected to be but usually aren't? ;-)
>And Mr. Heggie? Is his bass work 'impure' Cocteau Twins? Gawd, I mean,
>'Wax & Wane' would not be the classically-early-cocteau masterpiece it is
>without Will Heggie's work.
I will give credit to Mr. Heggie. I apologise for leaving him out of
my description. If anything, his bass lines are well-crafted and have
excellent transitions.
I must also take back my ill-thought blanket statement about rhythm
being merely a heartbeat. Certainly I am a percussion fan, as evident
by my collection of Dead Can Dance and other percussion-heavy CD's
(Rush not included, sorry). However, it is the pure variety and
cleverness in the sound that attracts me to it.
The point that I was trying to make is that feeble attempts to defend
Mr. Clifford's dull use of repeating melodic loops do not impress me.
That is all.
>Pure seems to mean something different to you than to me. You seem to
>be saying that 1983-1986 were your favorite years for Cocteau releases.
>I think perhaps the bandmembers are _now_ doing what they consider to
>be more pure, i.e., true to themselves as musicians and people. We have
>all read the interviews in which Robin berates his older work but feels
>positive about the experimentation of the present, right?
Can you quote him? I don't seem to have caught those interviews.
>Aren't we all happy that they are still releasing music?
Not really, since I can't enjoy listening to it. However, if their
next CD impresses me I'll let you know.
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From: Xbar@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:47:39 -0500
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Treasure...etc.
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
okay someone recently remarked:
< "I just finished listening to Twinlights and Otherness...they don't quite
incite the kind of passion Treasure does" >
It's funny (to me at least) how many cocteau twin fans claim Treasure to be
their favorite record. Someone explain it to me! I like Treasure, but I feel
it is their WEAKEST work. Half the songs are good - some are very bad...
"Persephone" come on!!!
Also, someone mentioned they don't listen to cocteau records post BBK. Well,
your not a cocteau twin fan then. I thing some people always cling to that
notion "I like their earlier work better." Well, I think some of the best
work put out by the cocteaus has come after BBK (which is, BTW my favorite
album from 'em). "Pur" which is my favorite track - and nothing less than a
masterpiece is 5 years post BBK.
Been trying to find the volume compilation that has the new cocteau track
"circiling girl" on it. Dos anyone know what number the Volume CD's are at
now??
x bar@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 16:49:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Other otherness
From: Jens Alfke
To: "Cocteau Twins List"
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Michael Fischer wrote:
>The point that I was trying to make is that feeble attempts to defend
>Mr. Clifford's dull use of repeating melodic loops do not impress me.
>That is all.
Which opinion you are welcome to; but I feel sad that my attempts were
"feeble".
Q: Do you like any Seefeel? Have you heard any Seefeel? If you've heard,
say, "Climactic Phase 3" or "Minky Starshine" and still feel they're
dull, I think we have something meaty we can argue about... :)
I'm going to have trouble debating the merits of "Otherness" much further
because I've only had a chance to hear it once, a friend's copy. Haven't
got one of my own yet.
__________
Jens Alfke __________________
jens@mooseyard.com
_______________________________________________
"Ten, sir," said the tensor.
Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:04:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael S. Fischer"
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Treasure...etc.
Reply-to: mfischer@nsi.edu
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>It's funny (to me at least) how many cocteau twin fans claim Treasure to be
>their favorite record. Someone explain it to me! I like Treasure, but I feel
>it is their WEAKEST work. Half the songs are good - some are very bad...
>"Persephone" come on!!!
Would you care to defend that claim? That's not an argument, that's
an "is! is not!" type of claim.
>Also, someone mentioned they don't listen to cocteau records post BBK. Well,
>your not a cocteau twin fan then. I thing some people always cling to that
> notion "I like their earlier work better." Well, I think some of the best
>work put out by the cocteaus has come after BBK (which is, BTW my favorite
>album from 'em). "Pur" which is my favorite track - and nothing less than a
>masterpiece is 5 years post BBK.
Let me defend myself by first saying that I would *never* (*ahem*)
dare say that you're not an Internet user cos you're on AOL, just as
an analogy to what you're saying there.
I *am* a Cocteau Twins fan, to a degree. Just because I don't like
everything they put out may make me less of a fan than someone who
blindly follows them as though they're some sort of messiah, but oh
well, my loss I guess.
I think I'm allowed to dislike some of their stuff, just as I think
late Cure, DM, and other bands' music wasn't of as quality calibre as
earlier works. Common to all those bands is that they cough and
wheeze out a couple of crappy albums before they kick the bucket, must
of whose fans defend them to the death while the band is still around,
and after the band dies so does the defense of those albums by its fans.
All bands die. The question is, who dies before they go out of their
prime?
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 17:17:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Treasure...etc.
From: Jens Alfke
To: "Cocteau Twins List"
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
xbar wrote:
>I like Treasure, but I feel
>it is their WEAKEST work. Half the songs are good - some are very bad...
One of the weakest, definitely, although the good songs are _very_ good.
About half of it is total filler.
>Also, someone mentioned they don't listen to cocteau records post BBK. Well,
>your not a cocteau twin fan then.
I'm not a "fan", I'm just someone who has deeply enjoyed most of the
music they've made. This doesn't mean I have to accept mediocre stuff and
pretend it's as good as the rest. For my money, the last really
transcendent Cocteau Twins release was "Victorialand". I've liked most of
their output after that (except 4CC) but it's not in the same category.
(The last band I was a fan of was Pink Floyd, back in the early 80s. "The
Final Cut" cured me of that real quick....)
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Jens Alfke __________________
jens@mooseyard.com
_______________________________________________
"Ten, sir," said the tensor.
Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 17:21:08 -0800
Subject: Frosty at Starbucks
From: Jens Alfke
To: "Cocteau Twins List" ,
"4AD List" <4AD-L@AMERICAN.EDU>
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Starbucks Coffee has two new compilation CDs of Xmas music that they're
selling for $10 each. One is classical, the other jazz and pop. The
latter one starts off with the Cocteau Twins' "Frosty the Snowman".
Cooool.
So since there's another Xmas comp that includes "Winter Wonderland",
those who absolutely can't find the "Snow" single have another option,
albeit more expensive. If you only want to buy one comp, let me suggest
that the Cocteaux rendition of "Frosty" is IMHO far better than "Winter
Wonderland" -- it has a good wailing sound to it, where "Winter
Wonderland" is more in the watered-down 4CC style. It's espresso vs.
Folgers.
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Jens Alfke __________________
jens@mooseyard.com
_______________________________________________
"Ten, sir," said the tensor.
Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 17:58:34 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT"
Encoding: 2151 Text
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Treasure...etc.
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Xbar@aol.com wrote:
>It's funny (to me at least) how many cocteau twin fans claim Treasure to be
>their favorite record. Someone explain it to me! I like Treasure, but I feel
>it is their WEAKEST work. Half the songs are good - some are very bad...
>"Persephone" come on!!!
I can't spreak for anyone else, but I think Treasure/Aikea Guinea/EIASB + TD
EPs/Victorialand is my favorite CT period simply because that's when I first
discovered the Cocteaux (and they were so darn prolific!). As for "Treasure"
itself... I dunno. I just like it alot. That doesn't mean that I think what
they are doing now is inferior, just different. I guess there is also a lot
of reminiscing involved when I listen to the mid-80's stuff.
>Also, someone mentioned they don't listen to cocteau records post BBK. Well,
>your not a cocteau twin fan then. I thing some people always cling to that
>notion "I like their earlier work better." Well, I think some of the best
>work put out by the cocteaus has come after BBK (which is, BTW my favorite
>album from 'em). "Pur" which is my favorite track - and nothing less than a
>masterpiece is 5 years post BBK.
(I am not flaming you, just pointing out a common mistake people make when
forming arguements.)
Again, I think we have gone over this already... Opinions about music are
subjective. If you think "Pur" is a masterpiece and another person does
not, that's fine. That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it,but others
may disagree with you, Since there is no absolute "truth" about the worth
of various CT music, there is no objective way to judge if either of you is
correct. Not liking current Cocteaux, however, does not disqualify someone
from being a Cocteau Twins fan (again, who determines who is a fan?). I like
very early (late 60's) Pink Floyd, but not their current material, so am I
a Pink Floyd fan? I think I am.
Let's try to avoid making subjective statements as if they are fact. If you
like/dislike something, at least explain the reasons why. "come on" doesn't
tell me anything about why you dislike "Persphone".
Martin
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From: AshuR93236@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:54:06 -0500
To: MAHOYT@uci.edu, jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Treasure...etc.
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I completely agree. I too was turned on to Cocteau Twins during the
Treasure/Aikea Guniea period and personally find these records to be their
strongest. Aside form sentimental and nostalgiac reasons, there is nothing on
their latter releases that matches the beaty of Persephone, Pandora, Cicely
and Beatrix. Yes Blue Bell Knoll is also a good, albeit polished, record,
considering it was their first major record label release. Although I didn't
care for Heaven or Las Vegas, their live tour during this period was much
better thatn when I saw them in 1985 at Wolfgang's in SF.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:58:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Micah Newman
To: Cocteau Twins list
Subject: Treasure
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Debate is beginning to rage about the merits of _Treasure_, and I
would like to hear more specifics and less assumptions. For instance,
Jens said "half of Treasure is total filler." Which songs, specifically?
I suspect that people have totally different ideas about which songs are
wonderful and which are duff. For instance, I can't stomach "Lorelei"--
way too cutesy and, well, twee. "Ivo" is also a bit too twee but not
nearly as much as "Lorelei". I much prefer "Beatrix": its mysterious feel
and the way the melody unfolds, I find just captivating. Really, I
unreservedly like all the songs except the first two and the last one.
"Donimo", for the first 3 minutes or so, is pompous and absurd beyond
belief. It's like Liz is trying to remove all of the subtleties from her
vocalizations and act like she's reciting the Gettysburg Address or
something. Then it gets better, at least.
"Pandora" is quite delightful, as are "Amelia" and "Aloysius". I
find that _Treasure_ makes really good traveling music. Put it on the
walkman or car stereo when in a car or train or whatever and see what it
does for you; for me it makes its qualities come out even more by
blending with the other sensory experiences, kind of a "Pictures At An
Exhibition" type of deal, for lack of any better explanation."
_____________________________________________________________________________
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{ requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship."}
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From: Xbar@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:27:29 -0500
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: discussion on this list
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Some of you people need to lighten up a bit! Is this a discussion list
or a philosophy class! Sheesh.
Someone remarked to me:
> Not liking current cocteau, however does not disqualify someone from being
an early cocteau twins fan (To my remark that a person who claims to not like
anthing post BBK is not a cocteau fan).
My remark is probably a bit harsh, but I think it's one thing to like a band
in general (I do not like everything the ct have put out) and liking a
particular era of a band. For instance, I do not consider myself a cure fan
now, but I do love cure circa 1980-1982 (17 seconds, faith, pornography).
So, I don't consider myself to really be a fan of the cure, now, but I do
like their earlier work. That is all I meant. Saying you don't like anything
the ct have done for the past 6 years to me suggusts that you are not a
current fan.
I think people are a little too serious on these boards (forces me too be too
serious which I don't want to be.) We are all fans of the cocteaus at one
time or another, let's not bag each other. :)
It is MY OPINION though that "Persephone" is a piece of crap. I hate the
vocals, I hate the guitar, I hate the whole song. It's miserable. Just my
opionion!
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:48:41 -0700
From: ggafter
To: JWGROTE_COCTEAU@indiana.edu
Subject: Set list for 4/94 show
Cc: Glen.Gafter@Colorado.EDU
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I found the song titles I wrote down after the Cocteau Twins show
in Buffalo on 4/16/94 (another fan grabbed the setlist and was reading
it to a journalist).
Pur
Heaven Or Las Vegas
Pitch The Baby
Carolyn's Fingers
Phoebe
Evangeline
Whale's Tails
Lorelai
Road River and Rail
Bluebeard
Summerhead
Iceblink Luck
Blue Bell Knoll
encore 1:
Cico Buff
Aiki Guinea
encore 2:
Ella Megalast
Pink Orange Red
I hope I spelled them all correctly! :)
Glen.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 22:22:01 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT"
Encoding: 1755 Text
To: Micah Newman , jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Treasure
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Micah Newman wrote:
>I suspect that people have totally different ideas about which songs are
>wonderful and which are duff. For instance, I can't stomach "Lorelei"--
>way too cutesy and, well, twee. "Ivo" is also a bit too twee but not
>nearly as much as "Lorelei".
Amazing. Case in point, Micah: "Lorelei" is one of the high points of
Treasure for me, and one of my all time favorite CT songs. Especially
the bridge. When Liz goes off on that "da-da da-da da-dum" thing withn
the bass anddrums in tow, I just find myself in total bliss.
>I much prefer "Beatrix": its mysterious feel and the way the melody
>unfolds, I find just captivating.
Much of Treasure has this effect on me. I think the songs work really
well in the context of the album. It seems to me that they were
exploring the extremes of their music at the time. On one hand there are
Liz's whispered vocals on "Cecilley" (sic?, I could mean Otterley, I am
not at home) vs. her wailing along with the bass and drum machine on
"Persephone".
>Really, I unreservedly like all the songs except the first two and the
>last one. "Donimo", for the first 3 minutes or so, is pompous and absurd
>beyond belief. It's like Liz is trying to remove all of the subtleties
>from her vocalizations and act like she's reciting the Gettysburg
>Address or something. Then it gets better, at least.
Again, "Domino" is my other Treasure fave. I don't see the intro as Liz
"removing subtleties", rather, she seems (IMHO) to be establishing a basic
melody over which she later improvises.
I find that this is turning into a really interesting thread. It is
fascinating to see how opinions differ about the Cocteau's music.
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:13:38 +0100 (MEZ)
From: Katy Renick
To: Xbar@aol.com
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: discussion on this list
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>Some of you people need to lighten up a bit! Is this a discussion list
>or a philosophy class! Sheesh.
hey, man, what's wrong with philosophy?
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From: Paul.Rankine@mail.sema.co.uk
X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 1-Dec-1995 16:40:28 +0000; at ngm-hub1.Sema Group
UK
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Recent discussions
Date: 01 Dec 95 16:39:00 GMT
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Been out of the office for a while, so I read all the recent debate entries
one after another and it was really enjoyable. I think that it shows just
how music as an art form cannot be forced into a single opinion : We all
like the Cocteau Twins, right ? - we like them for different reasons, we
have different favourite eras of CT, and different favourite albums and
tracks, and that is great. What it is not possible to do is change someones
opinion of something - if you think that a particular track or guitar sound
is bliss and someone thinks it sucks, it unlikely that you could change
their opinion of it - which is why I find TV programmes on books, film,
music and art amusing - all these people trying to change someone elses
opinion, just because they differ.
I read a few years (well decades actually !!) back that listening to music
can create a natural drug which is pleasant to the brain/you. If you listen
to a track that you like, this 'drug' (similar to endorphines) creates a
feelgood factor. A track/sound that you dont like will not create this, so
no feelgood factor, so no amount of listening to (in my case) Michael
Jackson will ever make me like his music...I just cant fuck about with
science, it appears I have an adverse reaction !!.
I can still recall my 1st and 2nd times I heard the Cocteaux (at a music
festival in Grangemouth, and on C4's 'Whatever You Want' programme - I put
them in the rough bu promising file !!) prior to hearing John Peel announce
their 1st release and how much I look forward to hearing each and every new
release of theirs. Sure thers been some dissapointments along the way, Im
not a great lover of Victorialand, perhaps given that I quite like
Twinlights, its time for me to give it a few more spins and maybe the
feelgood factor will be generated. As for Treasure, every time I hear it I
am on the beach in Juan-les-pain (sp?) in the summer of 88, when that album
really gripped me...sitting there with the walkman as the waves lapped
around my ankles - what bliss, and without the aid of drugs or alchohol !!.
I think the history of CT in terms of musical styles is an interesting one,
they have moved in and out of several styles, over what is a long period,
which to me has always been a stimulating one. My wife thinks Im mad, and
need to grow up (partly due to the fact that I went to most of the CT UK
gigs on the last tour), but I just think they are so special ....time to
stop gushing methinks.
As long as the Cocteaux can produce tracks like 'Need-Fire' (a current fave
of mine), they will continue to be on a pedestal which only a few
bands/artists can come close. This is only my opinion of course but (no
offence intended) this is the only opinion which matters to me.
According to Selectadisc in London, Volume 16 (??) is not out yet, even
though it was supposed to released on 27/11.
Oops, sorry its an essay, have a good weekend !!
Paul
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From: Paul.Rankine@mail.sema.co.uk
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UK
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Best of ..worst of
Date: 01 Dec 95 17:46:00 GMT
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I know that someone tried a 'What is your favourite CT track' strand
sometime ago, but the recent deluge of postings made me think of this :
Take each wonderful slab (album, as a 4 track EP might be a bit limiting) of
Cocteau Twins output and list your favourite and least favourite (thats
favorite in American) tracks on each album.. I will endeavour to do this
over the weekend, and no doubt spend many hours listening to everything at
least twice and suffering loss of sleep, but what a way to lose sleep, eh
kids ??
So the format might look like this :
Album : Garlands Favorite Track : yyyy Least favourite track
: xxxxx
Where xxxxx and yyyy are names to be decided, not tracks that exist but not
on your copy of Garlands, in case any completists out there start panicking
.......
Cheers
Paul
Who is Humming 'Song to the Siren' even though its not a CT track, so it
wont appear on my list unless we introduce a best/worst track that 'Oor Liz'
has sung on....??
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To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Best of ..worst of
From: krom@media.mit.edu (Matthew Krom)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 95 14:42:58 -0500
X-Mts: smtp
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>Where xxxxx and yyyy are names to be decided, not tracks that exist but not
>on your copy of Garlands, in case any completists out there start panicking
>.......
Right, yyyy appears on the ultra-rare Austrian pressing of "Head over Heels,"
*not* on Garlands as I've heard rumored.
:) :) :) :)
Matt, krom@media.mit.edu
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:51:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael S. Fischer"
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: discussion on this list
Reply-to: mfischer@nsi.edu
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>I think people are a little too serious on these boards (forces me too be too
>serious which I don't want to be.) We are all fans of the cocteaus at one
>time or another, let's not bag each other. :)
Generally, I have found that people who complain about other people
being too serious are usually the ones who are making excuses for
offending others by their rude behaviour.
Instead of telling others that they "are too serious," and need to
"lighten up," perhaps you should look at your own behaviour and see
that perhaps it is not perfect and that people have reason to be
offended by it.
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From: DaxDax@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:25:15 -0500
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Just wanted to say....
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Amy,
Thanks for all the great postings....
DAX
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:38:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "Linda A. B. Snyder"
To: mfischer@nsi.edu
cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Other otherness
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Michael S. Fischer wrote:
> Can you quote him? I don't seem to have caught those interviews.
The following are some quotes on Robin's attitude toward his music
past and present.
"I like our songs. But I mean, I'm sick of some of the new ones, as well
as some of the old ones," Robin said in an interview in that Dewdrops
fanzine thing.
In offbeat Robin said, "We're proud of all our albums at the time. We
really like this new one now but in two years time we'll hate it!..after
a while you think they're a real embarrassment because things change and
you constantly get better."
Su Chon, in her groupies tale quotes Robin that upon being asked to sign
Moon and the Melodies, "This is shit." and of their work with This Mortal
Coil, "TMC is rubbish."
Robin said in Melody Maker:
"I used to say 'Treasure' and 'Garlands' were shite... and they're not,
you know? I can accept that's where we were at the time." and later in
the interview he said, "..we did stuff when we were emotionally immature...
This feels more mature, Liz is confronting issues that have been on the
back burner for a few years." he says of his music, round about the time of
Four Calendar Cafe.
What I myself love of their newer music, is it's introspective and full
of growth and not just great to listen to. When I don't know what she's
saying for sure, I project my own meanings into the emotions I hear in her
voice. I enjoy listening to this music, but I also like thinking about what
Liz is saying in the discernable lyrics. All of ct's work has something for
me in it.
You'd said that the Cure's newer work wasn't as good as their older
work- I agree. You said this of Depeche Mode's work too- well I think their
older stuff was about as lacking in certain respects as their newer stuff,
but I'll always love listening to them anyway. I can recognize
the moments when I feel a band has lost their innovative ability or
what-have-you, and I just don't think that ct has done that.
> However, if their next CD impresses me I'll let you know.
That sounds open of you. If you liked them before (and seeing as how
they are the same people) you may like some subsequent cd- but I
wouldn't bet on it.
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 21:42:47 +0000
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: szymczak@edge.net (Peter Szymczak)
Subject: I'm offended
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>Instead of telling others that they "are too serious," and need to
>"lighten up," perhaps you should look at your own behaviour and see
>that perhaps it is not perfect and that people have reason to be
>offended by it.
AIYEEEE!!!!! Man, are we at each others throats, or what? L O L ! ! !
Now for something completely different...
I have this really humungous Cocteau Twins poster of the Iceblink Luck
cover that I have hung over my computer and desk at work (it used to hang
over my bed at home) and every time somebody new comes into my office, I
always get asked what it's a poster for and I get to turn another person
onto the Cocteau Twins.
And I have a friend who had -- past tense :( -- a Pearly Dew Drops Drops
poster that I was real envious of.
Anybody else?
Peace, pete.
szymczak@edge.net
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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 01:56:57 EST
From: NUYX52A@prodigy.com ( STRATTON H DAVIS)
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: CT posters
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>I have this really humungous Cocteau Twins poster of the Iceblink
Luck
cover that I have hung over my computer and desk at work (it used to
hang
over my bed at home) and every time somebody new comes into my office,
I
always get asked what it's a poster for and I get to turn another
person
onto the Cocteau Twins.
And I have a friend who had -- past tense :( -- a Pearly Dew Drops
Drops
poster that I was real envious of.
Anybody else?
Well, of all the posters that I have promoting the Cocteau Twins, my
favorite would have to be one that announces tour dates for the HOLV
UK tour. It is black and white and has a wonderful closeup of Liz at
the top in which she is staring right at you. Her eyes are so
intense! Another great one is the promo poster for 'A kissed out red
floatboat.' I don't have this one, but am still looking....anybody
wanna sell their's? Doubt it, right?
-Stratton
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 08:56:12 -0700 (MST)
From: FlowerSky
To: STRATTON H DAVIS
cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: CT posters
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, STRATTON H DAVIS wrote:
> It is black and white and has a wonderful closeup of Liz at
> the top in which she is staring right at you. Her eyes are so
> intense!
>
>
> -Stratton
>
>
i have a blue HOLV poster with all three of them on it...but for now it
lives on my closet wall cuz lizs eyes are so scary!
flowersky
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 11:40:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Angela Capelle
To: STRATTON H DAVIS
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: CT posters
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I have a promotional poster/flyer that came out with HLV that I got
while working in a record store. It has a single shot of each of them.
My husband framed it and we have it hanging in our living room. Every
person that comes over asks us if they are relatives of ours...we wish!
Angie
acapelle@csd.uwm.edu
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:25:23 -0600
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: quixote@1stnet.com (NJL)
Subject: Otherness
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Just got my copy of 'Otherness' today, as i'm sure alot of others did, and
I just wanted to give some comments.
First, i haven't been this excited about Cocteau Twins cover art since
1985, when i got the 12"EPs 'Echoes in a Shallow Bay' and 'Tiny Dynamine'.
The artwork is really beautiful and demands my attention while i'm
listening to the music. And as an added bonus, the 'Capitol' logo is
shrunk into almost-non-existence on the back of the digipak and on the CD
itself. The silkscreen colors on the CD itself remind me of Heaven or Las
Vegas (perhaps on purpose?). Anyway, the art is wonderful and the type
transformations on the inside are an intriguing design element.
Now to the music...on first listen I was a little taken aback, but not for
long. On the second listen I was really getting into it. It really is
quite a giant leap for Cocteau Twins, and I really appreciate their taking
chances by pushing their own envelope. I really wanted to listen to
'Otherness' without letting my bias (I'm a fan of Seefeel) decide if it was
a good piece of work. Listening to it as a whole, i can say that i'm
really impressed. It contains a freshness that i believe will propel them
through to the next album (i know that 'Milk & Kisses' won't be in this
vein) and into the future. It really is an exciting time for the Cocteau
Twins.
My favorite track: (hard to pick, but) Violaine
(BTW, does anyone know where that title came from? Is it a proper name?)
Well...to wrap it up; 'Otherness' really excited my senses. I look forward
to hearing from the rest of you.
Later!
-< neil >-
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:34:33 -0600
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: quixote@1stnet.com (NJL)
Subject: Evangeline for sale
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Just wanted to let ya'll know...
CDNow (http://cdnow.com) has the 'Evangeline' EP that many are looking for
on sale as an import for $12.47. The tracks are 'Evangeline', 'Mud and
Dark', and 'Summer-blink'.
-< neil >-
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 01:04:18 EST
From: NUYX52A@prodigy.com ( STRATTON H DAVIS)
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: NEW CT article in A.P.!!!
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Hey everybody,
The new issue of Alternative Press has a wonderful article/interview
with the band. It is called 'Embracing Otherness' and has some great
insights into the new e.p.'s as well as what is going on with Robin,
Simon and Liz personally. I didn't know Liz had a NEW boyfriend!?!
Wow! Anyway, just wanted to let you all know before the issues are
all gone. Hurry Hurry!!
Stratton:)
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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:36:39 +0100 (MEZ)
From: Caroline Toennesmann
To: STRATTON H DAVIS
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: NEW CT article in A.P.!!!
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, STRATTON H DAVIS wrote:
> Hey everybody,
>
> The new issue of Alternative Press has a wonderful article/interview
> with the band. It is called 'Embracing Otherness' and has some great
> insights into the new e.p.'s as well as what is going on with Robin,
> Simon and Liz personally. I didn't know Liz had a NEW boyfriend!?!
> Wow! Anyway, just wanted to let you all know before the issues are
> all gone. Hurry Hurry!!
>
what the hell are you talking about? liz has a new boyfriend? didn't she
just recently have a child with robin? what' going on here?
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To: Caroline Toennesmann
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: NEW CT article in A.P.!!!
From: krom@media.mit.edu (Matthew Krom)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 95 14:02:24 -0500
X-Mts: smtp
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>what the hell are you talking about? liz has a new boyfriend? didn't she
>just recently have a child with robin? what' going on here?
Hi! Liz had a baby with Robin about 5 years ago, when they were recording
Heaven or Las Vegas. During the Four Calendar Cafe tour in 1993, rumor had it
that Robin & Liz had broken up. That was later confirmed...
Cheers!
Matt
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From: Paul.Rankine@mail.sema.co.uk
X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 8-Dec-1995 10:37:44 +0000; at ngm-hub1.Sema Group
UK
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: CT rarities
Date: 08 Dec 95 10:38:00 GMT
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
----------
From: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu; 21469
Subject: Re: Best of ..worst of
Date: 01 December 1995 20:18
>Where xxxxx and yyyy are names to be decided, not tracks that exist but not
>on your copy of Garlands, in case any completists out there start panicking
>.......
>>Right, yyyy appears on the ultra-rare Austrian pressing of "Head over
>>Heels," *not* on Garlands as I've heard rumored. :) :) :) :)
>>Matt, krom@media.mit.edu
Sorry Matt, Ive checked my copy of the ultra-rare Austrian pressing of Head
Over Heels, and can confirm that yyyy is *not* on that. I can only assume
its on the amazingly-mega-rare white vinyl promo of the never released CT
versions of 'Bye-Bye Baby', and other Bay City Rollers classics, as part of
the Jock-Rock series (a celebration of Scottish bands, where one Scottish
bands did versions of anothers songs). Rumour on Sauchiehall Street,
Glasgow is that it costs $15 just to look at a polaroid of a copy !!! FYI,
others in the series include Lulu's versions of the Sensational Alex Harvey
Band's "Next, Framed, and Gang Bang".
McCheers the noo....
Paul
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From: Paul.Rankine@mail.sema.co.uk
X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 8-Dec-1995 9:45:19 +0000; at ngm-hub1.Sema Group U
K
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Best of, Worst of..
Date: 08 Dec 95 09:45:00 GMT
Old-Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
X-Content-Transfer-Decoded: Quoted-Printable to 8bit
Well it took longer than expected to get through all the albums, but I
stuck to the task through illness and adversity... One thing that was
painfully obvious to me was, despite the romance and ritual of playing
vinyl, CDs are infinitly more flexible - especialy when track hopping.
This little excercise merely strenghened my belief that the Cocteau Twins
have been creating excellent music throughout their existence and have
managed to create a different texture and feel for each album while still
incorporating their unique sound. There have been certain Cocteaux albums
that Ive not played too often, or for some time, and so it was interesting
to me to see how my opinions of them have changed as my musical preferences
have changed over time. Enough meandering heres my opinions :
Moon and the Melodies : BEST : Sea Swallow Me WORST : Bloody & Blunt
The purchase of a couple of Harold Budd CDs has allowed me to appreciate
his style more, and I was staggered at just how much I liked this, having
not played it for some time. M&TM is a fantastic blend of CT and Budd
styles, a belter of an album. IMHO it is up there challenging with BBK as
the best CT album !!
Treasure : BEST : Donimo WORST : Beatrix
Memories of Juan les Pins (correct spelling this time) aaaaaah !!
Four Calendar Cafe : BEST : Pur WORST : Essence
Probably their weakest offering to date, I had 3 tracks challenging for
worst
Garlands : BEST : Shallow Then Halo WORST : Grail Overfloweth
God, how bad that drum machine sounds, but great quality and originality for
a debut album
Heaven or Las Vegas : BEST : I Wear Your Ring WORST : Frou-Frou
Foxes in Midsummer Fires
I actually found this difficult to select a worst track, while there are no
earth shattering tracks here, there is a good level of consistency. Perhaps
not such an average album after all ?? I know its not everones favourite
but perhaps it needs a re-listen.
Head Over Heels : BEST : Sugar Hiccup WORST : Glass Candle
Grenades
A special mention goes to Five Ten Fiftyfold, which has some good sax
work, and I would love to hear it (and a few other older CT tracks) given a
re-work.
Blue Bell Knoll : BEST : Blue Bell Knoll, Cico Buff and A Kissed Out
Red Floatboat WORST : Suckling the Mender
My personal CT favourite album with so many strong tracks, and a album
showing a band at its pinnacle of creativity and confidence (not a word
normally associated with the Cocteaux). Its sits in my best Top 10 albums
of all time.
Victorialand : BEST : Lazy Calm WORST : Throughout the Dark Months of
April & May
This was always my least favourite CT album, but having played it for the
1st time in nearly 2 years, I guess my tastes have developed such that I can
appreciate Treasure a bit more. I just love the slow intro and build up of
Lazy Calm, and wish that the same approach could be taken with some other CT
tracks. How about mailing Robin and the band with a list of our favourite
CT tracks that we would like re-worked ??..it would make a great double
album !!
Best Non-Cocteaux track with Liz on vocals : (not a contest here, this wins
by a mile) : TMC, Song to the Siren - so simple yet so haunting
Worst Non-CT track with Liz on Vocals : Felt, Primitive Painters, I love
what she adds to it, but like sugar sprinkled on shit - it doesnt make it
appetising !! - apologies to Felt fans
Best CT tracks Ever : Pearly Dewdrop Drops, Sugar Hiccup, Aikea-Guinea,
Crushed
Best EP : Loves Easy Tears or Tiny Dynamine
Best LP - Blue Bell Knoll
I'd be interested to see how others feel about their best of, worst of's.
Cheers
Paul
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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 95 12:59:08 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT"
Encoding: 1077 Text
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re[2]: NEW CT article in A.P.!!!
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
krom@media.mit.edu (Matthew Krom) wrote in response to a previous query:
>>what the hell are you talking about? liz has a new boyfriend? didn't she
>>just recently have a child with robin? what' going on here?
>Hi! Liz had a baby with Robin about 5 years ago, when they were recording
>Heaven or Las Vegas. During the Four Calendar Cafe tour in 1993, rumor had it
>that Robin & Liz had broken up. That was later confirmed...
They mention that Lucy (Liz and Robin's child) is now 6 in the article.
Other interesting tidbits include:
-"Twinslights" is about a man Liz is no longer seeing.
-Liz had a nervous breakdown during the recording of 4CC.
-Liz mentioned being kind of embarrassed by the the confessional nature of
some of the new (and now more discernable) lyrics, but said it was something
she needed to do.
Interestingly, listening to Twinlights (particularly Pink Orange Red and
Half-Gifts) while reading the article seemed to increase its impact. I just
happened to be doing those two activities simultaneously.
Martin
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:43:29 -0700 (MST)
From: ".mark."
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: What is she singing?
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Jayson Chan wrote:
> Actually, those aren't 'official' lyrics. I remember in an interview
> some years back with Ms. Frazer, she joked about her refusing to hand
> over the lyrics to the Japanese CD distributors. So they (the company)
> hired a bunch of people to sit down and 'transcribe' the lyrics as they
> saw fit. In other words, they're most likely wrong.
...yes they are wrong! this was in the article that appeared in
Alternative Press around the time 4CC came out (which, incidentally, may
hold a record for the number of times robin is quoted as saying 'fuck' or
a derivative thereof :) )
the misprinted lyric liz cited as rather amusing was 'i'm mud dancer'...now
who can guess what song that was supposed to be from?
anyway, here's my lowdown on the lyric thing.....from _treasure_ till
_BBK/HOLV_ liz was basically singing gobble-dee-gook....foreign words she
didn't know, sylables, etc.(she's quoted as saying this in more than one
interview). now she's started to write lyrics again and
whatnot....overall, i don't care and i don't want to know. what matters
to me is the way she sings it and what it sounds like. there's a page on
the website that has people's interpretations of lyrics, but, frankly,
it's really silly and actually kind of annoying...the one and only time i
looked at and read something about 'it's the chocolate singing' as a line
in 'the spangle maker', i knew that kind of thing just wasn't for me...
those who are interested in the lyrics to the new songs may want to know
that the shortfilm for rilkean heart/half-gifts displays all the lyrics
on the screen during the course of the video (the first printed cocteaux
lyrics since the couplets on the _garlands_ lp)....someone on 4ad-l
transcribed them, and i just might have them somewhere if anyone is
interested.
okay...that's enough...byenow
.mark.
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:53:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Joel Krueger
X-Sender: ez067163@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: cd search
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Does anybody know what the ep "snow" is and how to get a hold of it?
I'd never heard of it until i visited the ct home page a while back...
also, saw song titles "treasure hunting" and "sigh", and am not familiar
with either one...anybody care to fill me in? much appreciated!
joel
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 95 15:08:30 -0800
Subject: Re: cd search
From: Jens Alfke
To: "Cocteau Twins List"
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Joel asks:
>Does anybody know what the ep "snow" is and how to get a hold of it?
>I'd never heard of it until i visited the ct home page a while back...
It's a 2-track single released in 1992, containing "Frosty the Snowman"
(previously released on a "Volume" comp) and "Winter Wonderland". The
first is wonderful, the second I don't like much. I _think_ it's still
possible to obtain this. People still report finding numerous copies for
sale at various stores.
You can also find "Frosty" on the jazz/pop Xmas CD that Starbucks Coffee
is currently selling. And "Winter Wonderland" is supposedly on some other
recently-released Xmas comp, but I don't recall the details.
__________
Jens Alfke __________________
jens@mooseyard.com
_______________________________________________
"Ten, sir," said the tensor.
Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.
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From: DaxDax@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:52:55 -0500
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: The Last Top Ten Response (I hope)
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I want to thank Michael Fischer for his letters today regarding the top ten
lists - that I started. He proved that there are mature ways of making our
points on this list. I would like to end this thread here and now, if thats
okay with everybody. I only wish that people like Anri would refrain from
taking personal potshots - it's just not cool (speaking of netiquette).
Listen, we all share a love of a fantastic band, lets meet each other on
that common ground and chill with all the rest of this shit. "Can't we all
just get along?"
DAX CALLNER
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 16:23:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Jayson Chan
To: james@noether.ex.ac.uk
cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: What is she singing?
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>
> get japanese import copies of the cocteaus stuff, it has lyrics on. What
> good it will do you I can't say
> singing in Gaelic my arse.
Actually, those aren't 'official' lyrics. I remember in an interview
some years back with Ms. Frazer, she joked about her refusing to hand
over the lyrics to the Japanese CD distributors. So they (the company)
hired a bunch of people to sit down and 'transcribe' the lyrics as they
saw fit. In other words, they're most likely wrong.
Jayson
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 95 13:13:45 -0800
Subject: Re: Top 10
From: Jens Alfke
To: "Stratton Davis" ,
"Cocteau Twins List"
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Stratton Davis writes:
>It would
>naturally follow that many of us may have other musical interests in common
>as well. What better way to find out than to compare our lists of most
>influential bands and their albums? I, personally, think this is a
>fascinating subject.
There is a newish commercial Web site called Firefly that has this as its
raison d'etre: You rate bands on a 1-7 scale, and it compares the overall
pattern of your ratings with those of other users and then suggests bands
you haven't rated yet that other people with similar rating patterns do
like.
I've tried it a bit and it's interesting to see it at work -- the first
bands it asks you to rate are e.g. The Police, Rush, Janet Jackson, etc.;
but after I'd rated 10 or 20 it started suggesting stuff like the Fall,
XTC, the Pixies, MBV...
It's at: http://www.agents-inc.com/
Maybe this'll help keep those contentious Top-10 lists off this mailing
list :)
__________
Jens Alfke __________________
jens@mooseyard.com
_______________________________________________
"Ten, sir," said the tensor.
Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:53:28 -0600
X-Sender: stratt@e-tex.com
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: Stratton Davis
Subject: Re: Top 10
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>>You then implicitly jump from "what I am on the list for" to "what the
>>list is intrinsically for" -- the two are not the same, although you are
>>welcome to _politely_ suggest what kinds of topics should be covered. The
>>best way to do this is to start talking about these topics yourself.
>
>How are they different then? Do you know something I don't? Am I,
>in fact, really on a "Cocteau Twins and Everyone's Top Ten" mailing
>list? Did I accidentally miss something when I subscribed?
>
Just to set the record straight, here are the only parameters given when one
subscribes to the list:
>Welcome to the Cocteau Twins list.
>
>Since there is very little presence for the Cocteau Twins on the
>internet, this list has been created with the intention of sharing
>information for CT enthusiasts. You are encouraged to share whatever
>CT-related information that you may like, including music of similar genres
>and/or any solo projects by Cocteau Twins members.
It would seem to me that 'music of similar genres' would imply anything from
similar sounding instrumentation, vocals, production, etc. to other bands
who have either inspired or been inspired by Cocteau Twins. I have to agree
on the issue that top 10 lists are at the edge of this spectrum. However,
everyone on this list has at least one thing in common: our enthusiasm for
CT music whether it be early, mid, present work or all 3. It would
naturally follow that many of us may have other musical interests in common
as well. What better way to find out than to compare our lists of most
influential bands and their albums? I, personally, think this is a
fascinating subject. This may turn out to be a minority opinion, but then
no mailing list has 100% participation in every thread generated on it, does it?
Stratton Davis
stratt@e-tex.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 13:01:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Summer Bowman
To: DaxDax@AOL.COM
cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Re Top 10
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Wed, 13 Dec 1995 DaxDax@aol.com wrote:
> As far as the Top Ten Lists are concerned, if you don't want to contribute,
> don't. If all you want to add to the discussion is criticism, go for it -
> but try to be halfway adult about it. Judging by the amount of response that
> this thread has generated, you are of the minority opinion. I guess every
> party has to have a pooper, and you are he.
> DAX
Uhm....maybe most of us just aren't as direct as Michael. I have talked
to three other people on this list who think that discussions of "top
ten" are worthless. I just sit here hitting my delete key. I am glad
that Michael spoke up. I preivately e mailed Michael just yesterday and
I told him that I thought this list was so lame and un-cocteau related
that I might unsubscribe. Michael is not a party-pooper, he just wants
to keep the party rolling on the right track. Most of us could care less
about this top ten stuff. I was also under the impression when I
subscribed that this list was called "Cocteau Twins discussion list"
maybe you guys could form a new list called "my top ten this-and-that" I
am sure DAX will administer it for you....
Anri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Anri net.goth
"it's raining on my house and none of the others"
mreeeeeeow....
sbowman@waynesworld.ucsd.edu
"when you grovel at my feet, keep it short and sweet"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:05:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack B Huynh
Subject: HI!
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Hi everyone,
i guess this list was created will i was in london and was actively
connected to the internet!
anyway, just wanted to let people know that i am currently revising the
cocteau twins web site for another major overhaul. i think this will be
the best non commerical music site yet! if you would like to help in
anyway (beta testing the site, typing in articles, etc), let me know.
i am assuming everyone knows that the twins will be playing in france on
the 22nd? finally, how many people are on the list anyway?
thanks
jack
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:03:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
Subject: SNOW Has Been Re-Released
To: 4ad-l@american.edu
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
X-VMS-Cc: IN%"jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu"
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Please pardon me if this is redundant information; I have been deleting
much mail recently without first reading it.
I discovered yesterday at HMV Records that Capitol & Fontana are now
packaging Twinlights and Otherness WITH copies of Snow (featuring
"Frosty the Snowman" and "Winter Wonderland"). There are two separate
CD's, but they're packaged together in one plastic wrapper.
Actually, this may be something that HMV is doing of their own accord,
but I'm not sure. The 2-CD sets are selling for $9.99.
Michael
iceblink@delphi.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:50:13 -0500 (EST)
From: FA ken clinger
To: "cocteau.twins"
Subject: Re: SNOW Has Been Re-Released
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:
>
> I discovered yesterday at HMV Records that Capitol & Fontana are now
> packaging Twinlights and Otherness WITH copies of Snow (featuring
> "Frosty the Snowman" and "Winter Wonderland"). There are two separate
> CD's, but they're packaged together in one plastic wrapper.
>
> Actually, this may be something that HMV is doing of their own accord,
> but I'm not sure. The 2-CD sets are selling for $9.99.
>
If anyone else comes across this in other stores (beyond HMV) could they
let us know? This is great news, especially if it's readily available, at
least for a short while.
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:05:04 -0500 (EST)
From: strobe
X-Sender: jwgrote@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
To: Jack B Huynh
cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: HI!
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Jack B Huynh wrote:
> i am assuming everyone knows that the twins will be playing in france on
> the 22nd? finally, how many people are on the list anyway?
the twins will be playing on the 22nd of which month? december? and
where exactly in france?
the list has about 80 subscribers, and we seem to be getting about 3 new
subscribers per day. this will probably slow down fairly soon, however,
as i just advertised this mailing list on some usenet groups...
thanks for the france tidbit!
______________________________
jwgrote@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 23:39:53 +0000
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: szymczak@edge.net (Peter Szymczak)
Subject: Re: SNOW Has Been Re-Released
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
> The 2-CD sets are selling for $9.99.
Bastards! I wonder how these have been selling. The Tower here in Nashville
had about a hundred thousand copies of Twinlights at $7.99 in the import
bins (?) / $9.99 on the racks (?). Otherness was a bit tougher to find at
first, though I'm sure Tower's gotten their fair share in by now. I bought
Snow as a $9.99 import, -- for, what, 6 minutes of music? Wonderful that
they are... I'd say this is a deal for those who didn't catch the original
release. I've heard Winter Wonderland on the mainstream stations here.
And while I'm here, anyone know the official release date of the new LP?
Peace, pete.
szymczak@edge.net
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:08:38 -0600
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu, szymczak@edge.net (Peter Szymczak)
From: quixote@1stnet.com (neil)
Subject: Re: SNOW Has Been Re-Released
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>> The 2-CD sets are selling for $9.99.
>
>Bastards! I wonder how these have been selling. The Tower here in Nashville
>had about a hundred thousand copies of Twinlights at $7.99 in the import
>bins (?) / $9.99 on the racks (?). Otherness was a bit tougher to find at
>first, though I'm sure Tower's gotten their fair share in by now. I bought
>Snow as a $9.99 import, -- for, what, 6 minutes of music? Wonderful that
>they are... I'd say this is a deal for those who didn't catch the original
>release. I've heard Winter Wonderland on the mainstream stations here.
>
>And while I'm here, anyone know the official release date of the new LP?
>
>
>Peace, pete.
>szymczak@edge.net
Hey pete,
According to the home page 'Milk & Kisses' will be released on March 2.
I'm not really sure if this date is for Europe or the US.
Also while we're on the subject...does anyone know if there is a video for
'Winter Wonderland'?
Later!
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 95 05:40:11 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka"
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu, szymczak@edge.net
Subject: Re: SNOW Has Been Re-Released
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>I've heard Winter Wonderland on the mainstream stations here.
Great! Where is here? How "mainstream" are these mainstream
stations? Do you mean that they are non-college/pbs stations
or are they really popular hits stations?
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From: Daniel Perry
Subject: Fontana releases
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:39:52 -0600 (CST)
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
what all has been released so far since the change in labels? no albums,
right? any 4AD devouts pissed they changed labels? just curious. anyway,
of course i have the recent CDSs otherness and twinlights, but what were
CTCD1 and CTCD2? what might be best is if someone directed me to a cocteau
twins discography. thanks much...
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:50:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
Subject: Re: Fontana releases
To: perryd@atw.fullfeed.com
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
X-VMS-Cc: IN%"jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu"
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
As far as I know, CTCD1 was Evangeline, CTCD2 was Bluebeard, CTCD3 is
Twinlights, and CTCD4 is Otherness. I don't know how Fontana works
out the albums. I know they released Four-Calendar Cafe in Europe, but
I don't know what they catalogued it as.
As for the 4AD question, I'm quite glad they left. In fact, severing
their relationship with 4AD was probably the best thing that had happened
to them since they originally signed on with the label in 1982. By
1990, things were so fucked up within the band and in their relationship
with Ivo and 4AD that SOMETHING had to give in order for things to change
or they might have just called it quits. So I'm thankful that things
worked out the way they did. The band are MUCH happier now than they've
ever been and that suits me. Whether their current music is as good
as what they were doing 5, 8, or 10 years ago is a matter of taste. To
me, it's still the best there is.
Mike
iceblink@delphi.com
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:44:24 -0600
To: Daniel Perry , jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: quixote@1stnet.com (neil)
Subject: Re: Fontana releases
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
>what all has been released so far since the change in labels? no albums,
>right? any 4AD devouts pissed they changed labels? just curious. anyway,
>of course i have the recent CDSs otherness and twinlights, but what were
>CTCD1 and CTCD2? what might be best is if someone directed me to a cocteau
>twins discography. thanks much...
Daniel, for a great discography you might try:
http://www.evo.org./html/group/cocteautwins.html
It covers pretty much everything until their last release on 4AD: The
'Heaven or Las Vegas' stuff and the BoxSet. That album and its singles
were the last things they put out on 4AD and when they switched to Fontana,
they put out the EP 'Snow', the album 'Four Calendar Cafe' and its 2
singles 'Evangeline' and 'Bluebeard', and also the new EPs 'Twinlights' and
'Otherness' and the forthcoming album 'Milk and Kisses' in March.
The link listed above had pretty extensive info on everything they put out
while on 4AD, including rare stuff and compilation appearances. There are
also photos of each release.
-< neil >-
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:35:03 -0600
X-Sender: stratt@e-tex.com
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: Stratton Davis
Subject: Rilkean Heart/Half-gifts video
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I just got a copy of this and thought I would add my two cents in case
anyone is interested. First of all, I have to agree with Simon's comment on
the guestbook that this is the best thing Cocteau Twins have done in a long
time. It begins with a surreal vision of brown liquid(chocolate milk is my
guess) with big and little bubbles floating around. A few seconds into this
segment, the bands name followed by the titles of the songs come up on the
screen. The main thing that caught my interest here was the music. There
are washes of guitars and a few piano notes here and there. It is very
mellow and seems to have elements of FCC and Victorialand in it. IMO, it
has Robin Guthrie's production written all over it. It is nothing like the
acoustic sound of Twinlights or the ambient dub quality of Otherness. It
seems to be a natural progression from FCC. Could this be the sound of Milk
and Kisses???
The videos themselves are unique for the shots of the group performing
around a piano. Liz is standing and singing. Simon is playing the piano.
Robin is off to the side on a couch playing the guitar. At other times, Liz
is standing in a field singing. The press release that came with the video
said that it was filmed in Brittany and in their studio. It also said that
the new album was recorded in Brittany and their studio between December
1994 and April 1995. It said in closing, that the new album would sound
nothing like Twinlights OR Otherness.
The middle segment linking the 2 videos together was a procession of stills
and short video of the band. During this part, Liz is singing notes a
capella. There is no instrumentation of any kind.
The closing segment is more of the brown liquid which then turns into a
kaleidoscope of colors while the credits role. The music here is similar to
the opening segment, but has more piano.
Hope this has been of interest to some...
Stratton
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X-Sender: jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:34:29 +0000
To: strobe
From: Jack Huynh
Subject: Re: HI!
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Twins are playing a thing called "the black sessions"..something like the
john peel sessions. it is broadcast on the radio but it's possible to get
very limited tickets (250 seats) to the show. i think you have to win the
tickets on the radio or something like that. and it's the 22nd of december.
i'll be sure to include this mailing list on the web site in the next revision!
jack
At 03:05 PM 12/16/95 -0500, strobe wrote:
>
>On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Jack B Huynh wrote:
>
>> i am assuming everyone knows that the twins will be playing in france on
>> the 22nd? finally, how many people are on the list anyway?
>
>the twins will be playing on the 22nd of which month? december? and
>where exactly in france?
>
>the list has about 80 subscribers, and we seem to be getting about 3 new
>subscribers per day. this will probably slow down fairly soon, however,
>as i just advertised this mailing list on some usenet groups...
>
>thanks for the france tidbit!
>
>______________________________
>jwgrote@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>
>
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To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: First mail (questions)
From: wreznik@colsch.edu.ar (Walter Reznik)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 21:13:00 -0300
Organization: Scholem Aleijem - ARGENTINA -
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Hi:
First of all, and because this is my first mail, I'd like you to know
that I'm from Argentina and my english is poor. For the same reason
(being from Argentina), I have some questions that may seem obvious for
many of you, but not for me. There is little information of Cocteau
here, and I haven't access to FTP or something like that to get a FAQ
or anything. There they go:
- The name: Why they choose "Cocteau"? I guess (or I'm sure) there is a
relation to the french writer with the same name (I read "Les enfants
terribles"), but I'd like to know the details.
- The lyrics: I don't know other editions, but most of mine are american
and come with no lyrics. I tried to find just ONE, but I couldn't. Some
people told me that most of theyr songs are based on the way the words
sounds, rather than the sense they can make. Is this true? Ridiculous as
it is, I can't really understand a word of Elizabeth's accent. Could
someone of you send to my address some lyrics? Oh, I'd apreciate that,
especially, hmmm... "How to bring a blush to the snow", "When mama was
moth", "Know who you are at every age", "Pearly-dewdrops' drops". I stop
here or this message could get TOO long (but if yours is long I don't
mind >:) ).
- Twinlights: Is this a kind of "pivot" on CT music? It's beautyfull
(even if I can't get used to the first chords of Rilkean Heart). Still,
I miss a lot the unique guitar sounds they played. Will we have a record
soon?
That's all for now. I'm sure I'll have more questions.
Luck (the iceblink kind) to all of you.
+-------------------------+
| WMReplicant |
| (WReznik@colsch.edu.ar) |
+-------------------------+
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* Escuela Scholem Aleijem - InterNet Node: colsch.edu.ar
* Scholem BBS - (0541) 855-5902 - 14.4 Kbps - Las 24 horas
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:39:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Reid
To: Stratton Davis
cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart/Half-gifts video
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
ok, i'll bite...where'd you get it? is it commercially available?
On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Stratton Davis wrote:
> I just got a copy of this and thought I would add my two cents in case
> anyone is interested. First of all, I have to agree with Simon's comment on
> the guestbook that this is the best thing Cocteau Twins have done in a long
> time. It begins with a surreal vision of brown liquid(chocolate milk is my
> guess) with big and little bubbles floating around. A few seconds into this
> segment, the bands name followed by the titles of the songs come up on the
> screen. The main thing that caught my interest here was the music. There
> are washes of guitars and a few piano notes here and there. It is very
> mellow and seems to have elements of FCC and Victorialand in it. IMO, it
> has Robin Guthrie's production written all over it. It is nothing like the
> acoustic sound of Twinlights or the ambient dub quality of Otherness. It
> seems to be a natural progression from FCC. Could this be the sound of Milk
> and Kisses???
>
> The videos themselves are unique for the shots of the group performing
> around a piano. Liz is standing and singing. Simon is playing the piano.
> Robin is off to the side on a couch playing the guitar. At other times, Liz
> is standing in a field singing. The press release that came with the video
> said that it was filmed in Brittany and in their studio. It also said that
> the new album was recorded in Brittany and their studio between December
> 1994 and April 1995. It said in closing, that the new album would sound
> nothing like Twinlights OR Otherness.
>
> The middle segment linking the 2 videos together was a procession of stills
> and short video of the band. During this part, Liz is singing notes a
> capella. There is no instrumentation of any kind.
>
> The closing segment is more of the brown liquid which then turns into a
> kaleidoscope of colors while the credits role. The music here is similar to
> the opening segment, but has more piano.
>
> Hope this has been of interest to some...
>
> Stratton
>
>
chris reid sirago@cybergate.com
**********************************************
* "Feel The Pulse" *
*The Sirago 17/Rotting Audio Sound Recordings*
**********************************************
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:18:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)"
To: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
cc: perryd@atw.fullfeed.com, jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Fontana releases
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:
>
> As far as I know, CTCD1 was Evangeline, CTCD2 was Bluebeard, CTCD3 is
> Twinlights, and CTCD4 is Otherness. I don't know how Fontana works
And Snow is COCCD1 I think...?
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:42:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Schlesinger
X-Sender: mns6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu
To: Walter Reznik
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: First mail (questions)
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
According to the Cocteau Twins' www site, Milk and Kisses, a new album,
will be releaseon March 1 (I assume the release is European).
Michael
rote:
> Hi:
> First of all, and because this is my first mail, I'd like you to know
> that I'm from Argentina aname reason
> (being from Argentina), I have some questions
> many of you, but not for me. There is little informations to FTP or something like that to get a FAQ
> or anything.the details.
> - The lyrics: I don't know other editions, b. I tried to find just ONE, but I couldn't. Some
> people tr songs are based on the way the words
> sounds, rather than the sense they can make. Is this true? Ridiculous as
> itent. Could
> someone of you send to my address some lyrics? Oh, I'd apreciate that,
> especially, hmmm... "How to bring a blush to the snow", "When mama was
> moth", "Know who you are at every age", "Pearly-dewdrops' drops". I stop
> here or this message could get TOO long (but if yours is long I don't
> mind >:) ).
> - Twinlights: Is this a kind of "pivot" on CT music? It's beautyfull
> (even if I can't get used to the first chords of Rilkean Heart). Still,
> I miss a lot the unique guitar sounds they played. Will we have a record
> soon?
>
> That's all for now. I'm sure I'll have more questions.
>
> Luck (the iceblink kind) to all of you.
>
> +-------------------------+
> | WMReplicant |
> | (WReznik@colsch.edu.ar) |
> +-------------------------+
>
>
>
>
> ---
> * Escuela Scholem Aleijem - InterNet Node: colsch.edu.ar
> * Scholem BBS - (0541) 855-5902 - 14.4 Kbps - Las 24 horas
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:56:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Jayson Chan
To: Chris Reid
cc: Stratton Davis , jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart/Half-gifts video
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Does anyone know if the video(s) for Rilkean Heart and Half Gifts will be
released commercially, purchaseable at a local outlet? I've yet to see
them, other than the QT clips on Jack H's website.
Jayson
yu104378@yorku.ca
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:01:47 -0600
X-Sender: stratt@e-tex.com
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
From: Stratton Davis
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart/Half-Gifts Video
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
For those of you who were interested in getting this, I can tell you that I
got my copy(a promotional only release) from a vendor called Relative
Action. They deal mainly in press release kits, but occasionally they have
other promo items. The telephone # is (908)356-0606. You usually have to
leave a message and they will write you back. They are available in person
on Monday from 11-2pm EST and on Thursday from 3-7pm EST at (908)356-0607.
I paid $20 for my copy, but I have seen it advertised in Goldmine for as low
as $10.
As far as I know, this is not available yet commercially. However, the guy
at Relative Action said he thought he remembered reading something about a
forthcoming commercial video release by the band. Only time will tell.
With my video's press release, there was a Capitol Records representative's
contact # for more information. I plan on calling it this week. If I hear
anything of interest, I will post it...
Stratton
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:15:59 +0100 (MEZ)
From: Katy Renick
To: Jack B Huynh
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: HI!
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Oh, my God! I had no idea they'd be in France at this time. Wow. I live
in Germany near the French border. Where exactly in France? This
sounds wonderful......
thanks, katy.
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:07:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart/Half-gifts video
To: yu104378@YorkU.CA
Cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
X-VMS-Cc: IN%"jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu"
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I've heard through the grapevine that there will be an OFFICIAL
Cocteau Twins video compilation released sometime in 1996. This
is not official information, just rumour from a reliable source.
Michael
iceblink@delphi.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:03:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Jayson Chan
To: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear
cc: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart/Half-gifts video
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:
>
>
> I've heard through the grapevine that there will be an OFFICIAL
> Cocteau Twins video compilation released sometime in 1996. This
> is not official information, just rumour from a reliable source.
>
> Michael
> iceblink@delphi.com
Glory Day! It's about time! I've only ever seen three CT videos in
their entirety!
Jayson
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From: DaxDax@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:32:40 -0500
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Volume
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Hey everybody,
Has anyone in the states been able to find the volume compilation? I've
looked everyhwhere in L.A., but to no avail. Help!?!?
Thanks,
DAX
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From: Daniel Perry
Subject: Re: Volume
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:03:07 -0600 (CST)
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
uh... forgive my ignorance, but which Volume is cocteau on? (i assume
that's why you're asking about it) anyway, Volume should be able to be
found at any good record store that carries imports. if they don't
have it, they should be able to order it for you. i have Volume 6 and 7
and they are both quite good, overall. seeyuz...
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 10:27:44 GMT
From: nige@wg.icl.co.uk (Nigel Sinfield)
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Subject: Liz on the radio
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
For those of you in the UK, Liz Fraser can be heard each evening this
week reading poetry on Mark Radcliffe's show on Radio 1. (At about
23:25).
Nige
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From: Paul.Rankine@mail.sema.co.uk
X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 20-Dec-1995 11:57:23 +0000; at ngm-hub1.Sema Group
UK
To: jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Date: 20 Dec 95 11:56:00 GMT
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
Someone wrote :
>Listen to Twinlights, which is entirely in English, but hard to
>decipher. Two things: she has a strong Grangemouth, Scotland accent,
>and she sometimes sings for effect; distorting the words til they are
>unrecognizable.
Ive heard this heavy Scottish accent bit banded about for some time now, but
Im not convinced. In recent interviews, esp at 4CC time, Liz seems to have
lost a lot of her accent (my wife commented that she sounded English -
despite the fact that she knows they are Scottish), and as the
Grangemouth/Falkirk accent is not as hard to decipher as say, the Glasgow
accent (like mine was before I emigrated to England), unless she makes a
very conscious (sp?) effort to put the accent on, Im more inclined to think
that the sound and phonic distortion is the more believable explanation. I
think the Scottishness is very noticable in Road, River & Rail and this was
the first time where it was (to me) so obvious, perhaps I need to listen to
a few more tracks with a view to hearing Scottish accents, rather than
blissing out on the sounds - 1st person to hear her sing 'See You Jimmy' in
any CT song wins a bottle of Whisky !!.
Re the Volume release - Im not aware that it has been released yet - it was
scheduled for Nov 27th release and it didnt come out then, and Im sure that
if it had been released that fellow UK subscribers would have reviewed it.
Its on my birthday/Christmas list of CD wants, so it will be a few days
(hopefully) before I can get it....if it has been released and I dont get it
for CHristmas, then a divorce is imminent!!.
Seasons Greetings,
Paul
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:31:25 -0500 (EST)
From: FA ken clinger
To: "cocteau.twins"
Subject: How to order Snow
Sender: owner-jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu
I called up HMV in Boston and placed and order for Snow+Otherness. They
said they have lots of copies.
The phone number is 1-617-357-8444
They have a $3 shipping charge, which makes it $12.99 total for both EPs.
(usual major credit cards accepted)
They ship UPS, and said if you order today, you should be able to get it
before Christmas.
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